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New Griefing: MTU Thieves
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Thufir Bezluden
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-12-17 19:29:19 UTC
Anyone else victim of this new feature?
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2013-12-17 19:34:11 UTC
How exactly do you steal a MTU, only the person that drops it can empty and/or scoop it?

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imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-17 21:05:59 UTC
But you can shoot it ;).
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-12-17 21:51:05 UTC
imbaRabbit wrote:
But you can shoot it ;).

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2013-12-17 23:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
They can also just loot the wrecks. That gives them twice as much loot as there is no loss on the explosion of the MTU. But in the end the result is the same, they get less reward than if they ran their own mission and get flagged for their trouble.

Because its such a poor way to make ISK it rarely happens. If it does happen to you, just grab what you can and move on.

A couple of weeks ago someone in a Loki showed up in my mission and started salvaging my wrecks. Not looting, so no flag. He quickly found out that a Loki is good for many things, but out salvaging a Noctis is not one of them.

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Dextrome Thorphan
#6 - 2013-12-18 10:58:40 UTC
Thufir Bezluden wrote:
Anyone else victim of this new feature?


Attacking player structures is a new feature? Huh?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2013-12-18 11:46:03 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
imbaRabbit wrote:
But you can shoot it ;).

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-18 12:09:09 UTC
I've heard it's just another tactic to get noob mission runners to agress. If someone is in your mission there's a good chance that they're more interested in destroying your ship than stealing your loot. Just ignore them if you're in a PVE fitted ship.... They'll get bored and move on to someone that will fall for the bait.
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#9 - 2013-12-18 15:43:53 UTC
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2013-12-18 15:55:25 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
They can also just loot the wrecks. That gives them twice as much loot as there is no loss on the explosion of the MTU. The effect is the same, they get less reward than if they ran their own mission and get flagged for their trouble.

MTU's have the same loot drop chance as ships. On average 50% inside gets destroyed.

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-12-18 16:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Decaneos wrote:
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.

Now that's interesting...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-18 17:45:53 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.



That's a pretty smart tactic. I might try this Big smile

I guess that's another reason to set your drones passive when doing missions.
Ginger Barbarella
#13 - 2013-12-18 22:21:59 UTC
Another reason to use a Noctis instead of mobile tractor and salvage drones.

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Wyte Ragnarok
#14 - 2013-12-19 12:31:58 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Decaneos wrote:
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.

Now that's interesting...


That was exactly my face upon realising this. Hmm...
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2013-12-21 09:53:23 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.


unruly lettle feckers, never take your eyes off them.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#16 - 2013-12-21 11:53:57 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
imbaRabbit wrote:
But you can shoot it ;).

I approve of this product and/or service.


Cool

And then you can grab the stuff it drops........

Pirate

Or so I've been told.....um...by Goons. Yeah. Goons told me.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-12-21 17:08:26 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
MTU's have the same loot drop chance as ships. On average 50% inside gets destroyed.


Actually the chance of a loot item dropping is the inverse of it's value.

Look up the numerous articles on ships filled with PLEX getting ganked ... and none of the PLEX surviving as loot. Funny, that.

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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-12-22 20:36:33 UTC
I've killed a few... was going to kill more, but accidentally too many pods to remain in high sec :(

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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#19 - 2013-12-28 02:36:50 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Another reason to use a Noctis instead of mobile tractor and salvage drones.


I use all three things at the same time :)
HK -56
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-12-28 04:31:33 UTC
This just happened to my Raven tonight, and I've petitioned it for reimbursed (although with the special kind of ******* only CCP can be, I'm not expecting to get anything). As if drones in missions weren't miserable enough to use.

I'm actually surprised more people aren't talking about this; it may technically not be a glitch but it is clearly against the spirit of the Safety Settings. I understand pvp is omnipresent in EVE, but for CCP to allow this 'backdoor' griefing is just nonsense. This backdoor should not be the isk drain to counter the MTU isk faucet.

Glad the other pilot had the thrill of a ship kill, but this mechanic is absolutely in error.
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