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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#1521 - 2013-12-18 22:49:00 UTC
Does that ship self destruct?

The middle guns look like they may try to shoot through the front of the ship if a target gets in a bad angle.
XvXTeacherVxV
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#1522 - 2013-12-19 00:44:04 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Does that ship self destruct?

The middle guns look like they may try to shoot through the front of the ship if a target gets in a bad angle.


No, it's got a role bonus that prevents it. -100% to self-inflicted damage. The self-destruct doesn't even work.
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Atomic Option
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#1523 - 2013-12-19 00:47:45 UTC
Someone in one of the CCP videos mentioned that art had been told that this ship was going to be a shield ship and designed accordingly (before the current stat-design was changed to armor).

Now every time I look at it I see a shield ship. Oops /sigh
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1524 - 2013-12-19 00:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Domi still seems a better hisec PvE boat for a tenth of the price.

Plus it looks silly. All front heavy.

Here look .. I fixed it !!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/SOE_Nestor_zpsbef626b5.jpg
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
#1525 - 2013-12-19 03:35:56 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Domi still seems a better hisec PvE boat for a tenth of the price.

Plus it looks silly. All front heavy.

Here look .. I fixed it !!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/SOE_Nestor_zpsbef626b5.jpg


You realize you made it front-heavier, right?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1526 - 2013-12-19 04:39:15 UTC
Divi Filus wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Domi still seems a better hisec PvE boat for a tenth of the price.

Plus it looks silly. All front heavy.

Here look .. I fixed it !!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/SOE_Nestor_zpsbef626b5.jpg


You realize you made it front-heavier, right?



haha true ... my bad

still being a BS I reckon it needs two sets of rings regardless of where you put them :D
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#1527 - 2013-12-19 05:21:40 UTC
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?

Oh and I'd like to reiterate how god awful ugly it is.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1528 - 2013-12-19 06:42:49 UTC
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Oh and I'd like to reiterate how god awful ugly it is.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Naw, this thing hit more than a few branches on the ugly tree.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#1529 - 2013-12-19 06:47:16 UTC
First off, I hate the design. Having the circle on the front, and the fins at the back is confusing for which way it's supposed to go... or is it the other way around? Pick one or the other. Both the Astero and Stratios designs were very pleasing, and I'd like to see the Nestor follow that aesthetic.

I see a lot of people arguing about the Covert Ops Cloak. Giving it the option to fit one, but not a lot of the bonuses - so it can be travel fit and then refitted with a Mobile Depot at destination- this makes the most sense to me. For it to be fit reasonably for battle, it shouldn't be able to fit a Covert Ops Cloak. Fitting an Improved Cloaking Device II during normal use would be good enough.

Remove the Relic/Data Analyzer bonus. I honestly don't see this ship doing any type of site, considering how long it takes to move between the containers. It might be good to tank for Ghost sites, but moving between cans to hack them will be much too slow, and you'd probably only get one before the site self destructs. Leaving the scanning bonus seems reasonable for a ship designed to operate in deep space, and it can refit to do DED complexes.

I'd like to confirm that it is able to jump through a Covert Jump Portal, and fit a Covert Cynosural Field Generator. Giving it the role of covert logistics seems very appealing and fitting with the Sisters of Eve lore as we know it. The scan resolution and Remote Repairer range may need to be buffed to allow this to function effectively, and removing the Exploration/Scanning bonuses might be a good tradeoff for this.

To avoid this ship being just a more expensive Dominix, I do agree it needs something special. It shouldn't be the same as a Black Ops Battleship - so no Covert Jump Portal Generator. A clone vat would definitely be a unique feature, but may be overpowered for a Battleship sized ship, considering it's only available on Capitals (Rorqual/Titan).
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1530 - 2013-12-19 07:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?




Yeah it sort of spins its wheels and gets nowhere compared to the Domi.

You have a laser range bonus but no bonus to drone range so you need omnis and scope rigs to get the drones up there with the turrets if you fit beams. However even when you do that, the raw targeting range is not up to scratch and if you fill the mids with omnis there is no room for a sebo. Alternatively you can fit pulse but then you have an issue with tank cos even with the bonus resist there are not enough lows to get damage mods for both the lasers and the drones while also having enough tank to fight at scorch range.

In the end by juggling you can probably get a boat with similiar drone range and DPS as the Domi but at 10 times the cost and needing twice the skills.

It's not really a serious drone contender ... but when you consider the noise being made by GSF about drones being "overpowered" in big fleet battles did anyone really expect a Domi on steroids ?????
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1531 - 2013-12-19 09:27:28 UTC
Basically this ship is a huge success. Made the vast majority agree on something.. that it is UGLY as hell

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#1532 - 2013-12-19 09:27:36 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?




Yeah it sort of spins its wheels and gets nowhere compared to the Domi.

You have a laser range bonus but no bonus to drone range so you need omnis and scope rigs to get the drones up there with the turrets if you fit beams. However even when you do that, the raw targeting range is not up to scratch and if you fill the mids with omnis there is no room for a sebo. Alternatively you can fit pulse but then you have an issue with tank cos even with the bonus resist there are not enough lows to get damage mods for both the lasers and the drones while also having enough tank to fight at scorch range.

In the end by juggling you can probably get a boat with similiar drone range and DPS as the Domi but at 10 times the cost and needing twice the skills.

It's not really a serious drone contender ... but when you consider the noise being made by GSF about drones being "overpowered" in big fleet battles did anyone really expect a Domi on steroids ?????


I particularly love how well the intended use of lasers and RR go together. Roll

In all honesty I would've done something like this if I were CCP:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
+2 warp strength
50% bonus to large energy turret range
50% increased strength for scan probes
100% base movement speed while cloaked

Stats unchanged.

This seems like much more of an exploration battleship that what CCP has created.
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#1533 - 2013-12-19 09:28:50 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Basically this ship is a huge success. Made the vast majority agree on something.. that it is UGLY as hell


And that it has no business being used to explore anything ever.
Celia Therone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1534 - 2013-12-19 09:46:49 UTC
Role bonus: Golden killmail

When the Nestor dies its killmail is automatically posted as an item on the login news screen. Only the three most recent Nestor kills are listed, unless you learn Tear Harvesting, which gives you one additional kill per level.

I think I just solved the problem of almost no-one wanting this ship in the game. Still working on making people want to fly one, but, umm, details....
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1535 - 2013-12-19 12:42:29 UTC
This ship is just sad and confused, it brings nothing new to the table, and is unable to fill it's intended role (exploration) at all while being hugely expensive. It's also so ugly that I would rather fly an upside down Moa than this thing.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1536 - 2013-12-19 13:14:36 UTC
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?




Yeah it sort of spins its wheels and gets nowhere compared to the Domi.

You have a laser range bonus but no bonus to drone range so you need omnis and scope rigs to get the drones up there with the turrets if you fit beams. However even when you do that, the raw targeting range is not up to scratch and if you fill the mids with omnis there is no room for a sebo. Alternatively you can fit pulse but then you have an issue with tank cos even with the bonus resist there are not enough lows to get damage mods for both the lasers and the drones while also having enough tank to fight at scorch range.

In the end by juggling you can probably get a boat with similiar drone range and DPS as the Domi but at 10 times the cost and needing twice the skills.

It's not really a serious drone contender ... but when you consider the noise being made by GSF about drones being "overpowered" in big fleet battles did anyone really expect a Domi on steroids ?????


I particularly love how well the intended use of lasers and RR go together. Roll

In all honesty I would've done something like this if I were CCP:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
+2 warp strength
50% bonus to large energy turret range
50% increased strength for scan probes
100% base movement speed while cloaked

Stats unchanged.

This seems like much more of an exploration battleship that what CCP has created.


Give it a target range of 85km (or even the 90km you get with a Rohk) and that would start to be workable.
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#1537 - 2013-12-19 13:20:59 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Does that ship self destruct?

The middle guns look like they may try to shoot through the front of the ship if a target gets in a bad angle.


No, it's got a role bonus that prevents it. -100% to self-inflicted damage. The self-destruct doesn't even work.


so its immune to shooting itself in the foot essentially
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1538 - 2013-12-19 13:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Madbuster73
This ship sucks.

For the money its gonna cost its not doing anything that any other BS cant do.
It doesnt bring anything that is usefull.
Nobody wants a RR BS.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#1539 - 2013-12-19 13:36:17 UTC
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?




Yeah it sort of spins its wheels and gets nowhere compared to the Domi.

You have a laser range bonus but no bonus to drone range so you need omnis and scope rigs to get the drones up there with the turrets if you fit beams. However even when you do that, the raw targeting range is not up to scratch and if you fill the mids with omnis there is no room for a sebo. Alternatively you can fit pulse but then you have an issue with tank cos even with the bonus resist there are not enough lows to get damage mods for both the lasers and the drones while also having enough tank to fight at scorch range.

In the end by juggling you can probably get a boat with similiar drone range and DPS as the Domi but at 10 times the cost and needing twice the skills.

It's not really a serious drone contender ... but when you consider the noise being made by GSF about drones being "overpowered" in big fleet battles did anyone really expect a Domi on steroids ?????


I particularly love how well the intended use of lasers and RR go together. Roll

In all honesty I would've done something like this if I were CCP:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
+2 warp strength
50% bonus to large energy turret range
50% increased strength for scan probes
100% base movement speed while cloaked

Stats unchanged.

This seems like much more of an exploration battleship that what CCP has created.


hahahahahahahahahah
its an exploration battleship, not a venture

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1540 - 2013-12-19 15:55:10 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:


It might be good to tank for Ghost sites, but moving between cans to hack them will be much too slow, and you'd probably only get one before the site self destructs.



That just gave me that idea of a ghost site baiting boat Twisted

So give it total immunity for the ghost site bang, increase aoe damage of ghost sites and it almost sounds like going in a direction.

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