EVE New Citizens Q&A

There are no tricks to straight up avoid the sec status hit. The options are...

-He had a very high sec status to begin with (he did a lot of ratting and such prior to suicide ganking)

-He does a ton of ratting in between suicide ganking romps

-He uses clone soldier tags to buy his sec status back up. Expensive, but viable if he's rich enough.

Interesting stuff, I didn't know any of this, thanks. I'm betting that he just pays his way out of it, almost all his ganks on record dropped well over 100 mill in loot. He's doing *very* good business at Jita.

From a newbie's perspective it does seem kinda unfair that a rich career criminal can just throw a fraction of their haul towards Concord to recover their status, effectively buying immunity from the law and getting a free pass to keep doing it for as long as they want. All they have to do is make sure they gank targets rich enough to pay Concord's bill and still turn a profit.

On the other hand, I guess its a lot like real life

And as long as we have bright sparks carrying far too much cargo, such behaviour will continue.



Not really immune to the law, he's losing his ship every time he ganks someone, that's the main penalty concord imposes. To be honest, even ratting in *highsec* recovers sec status for a ship kill reasonably quickly. Lowsec/nullsec far, far faster (bigger bounty rats)

It isn't unfair at all. Bear in mind that suicide ganking is a very new player friendly activity. With a few days of training, a bit of math, and a friend or alt to loot the wrecks, you too can be making lots of isk murdering the innocent.

If losing your ship weren't a disincentive, targets wouldn't be limited to those who're likely to drop a profitable amount of loot.

The presence of valuable, undefended targets is the driving force of the profession.


Incidentally, if you want to haul things regularly, you should pick up a working knowledge of ganking. It's the best way to avoid being a target.

As someone that suicide ganks and maintains sec status, here's how I do it. This changed with Odyssey.

Firstly I do not illegally aggress pods. I will, however, take any opportunity to legally shoot a pod (example: if I'm ganking someone, and they shoot me back, while my attack on their ship was illegal, I have a limited engagement timer from them shooting back, which makes it legal for me to shoot their pod).

Killing at least one battleship rat in every 5 minute bounty tick will push up your sec status fast. So every time my sec status gets into the doldrums (-1.8 or so), I start running level 4 missions, only accepting ones against pirate factions. Every L4 mission has some battleship rats and most have enough that you can kill one in every tick.

I then share the mission reward and standings gain with my trade alt.

Smarter people that I might know exact figures. I think it is actually scaled somehow so that the lower your starting sec status, the slower it drops. Blapping pods is what makes it really go down fast, ships aren't too bad. In my experience I probably ganked a dozen or so miners, going for every pod that I could, before I got to the point where I couldn't linger in highsec space without issues. If you gank in Jita, which is 0.9 sec, you will have issues very early. If you gank in Uedama or Niarja, which are 0.5 sec systems on major trade routes, you will be able to continue for much longer.

There are ways to adapt to the sec status issue as well. You can still gank in highsec even with -10 sec status by using a scout to locate your targets, then undock and warp directly to them, and blap them before the police NPCs have time to give you any trouble. Many gankers have a dedicated -10 alt for this purpose, but if you enjoy ganking you can just have a -10 main. Or you can live in lowsec, null sec, or wormsec and just be -10, and visit high sec to gank from time to time for fun and profit.

Your adversary's apparent strategy of buying tags and keeping his sec status up is certainly viable, but less common than the alternatives. The advantage, for him, is that he can sit on the Jita undock with his overview filtered for industrials and react to potential targets more quickly and easily. The disadvantages are added operational expenses and that he has to hang around in Jita and endure soul-destroying lag.

If you want to learn about this from the pros, and meet some really nice folks who love newbies, visit www.minerbumping.com and come join us for a few ganks. We are more focused on ganking for fun than on profit, but we certainly have guys that know what they are doing. You can always try it and stop short of the point where sec status would become an issue if you want.

Sec status drops are also related too:

The sec status of the system; The higher the bigger the hit. So a gank in 1.0 will drop you more the a gank in 0.5. Which in terms will drop more if comparex to shooting someone in a 0.1.

The sec level of you vs your target; if you are +10 and the target is -4.9 then the hit will be less then the other way around


Of course. Both of the above is subject to out of date...as I can miss things when reading patch notes etc.

Another risk is the suicide ganker fails against somebody with a ship fit to tank a suicide ganker. Just as the gankers find the tears of their victims delicious and full of isk, a failed suicide gank is all lose and is also useful for tears extraction, flipped on it's head.

I have no idea how you got to these numbers. My experience is completely different.

edit: ah. percentages.