Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The lamest mechanic in Eve, as far I am concerned, is 0 damage ship bumping. It is time for this stupid mechanic to end. When a frigate hits a Titan at full speed, it should look like a bug hitting the windshield of a train: splat. The frigate pops and the Titan has a scratch on the paint job.

Already a thread on collision damage so let's talk about conservation of momentum; momentum before = momentum after or p1=p2, where p=mv; momentum equals mass times velocity
[Archiving: Collisions should involve damage to the colliding ships. A frigate hits a battleship at 3km/s straight on and bounces off, both the frigate and the battleship should incur 3k damage to kinetic damage. A collision of the same ships at 300 m/s should yield 300 damage to each. The damage calculation could take into account the masses and changes in velocities of each object involved in the collision. Since it gets a little complicated in high sec with Concording, kill rights, and pve ganking, etc, collisions in high sec could continue to have 0 damage for players without aggression. Also, collisions with asteroids, stargates, and stations can continue to have zero damage until mechanics are put into place to avoid warping inside a station or avoiding collisions with stationary, non-combat objects.]

The change in velocity of an object must follow the conservation of momentum. m1v1 + m2v2 = m1v3 + m2v4 when v4=0 becomes change in v1 = m2/m1 * v2 which is to say that if all of ship B's momentum is transferred to ship A and ship B ends at rest then ship A changes its velocity only by the ratio of masses of Ship B divided by Ship A times the initial velocity of Ship B.

Collision avoidance is a great idea too, but damage for collisions is a must so that we can end the 0 damage bumping tactics which are an embarrassment by their sheer stupidity to Eve Online. The local machines can handle the computational work, instead of the servers.

Where an object appears to be on a collision course, if the collision safety is switched on, the ship will simply change direction to least amount possible to minimize the collision speed. Larger ships may opt to leave the system off knowing that the impact of smaller ships will not affect them much damage wise and will result in the popping of the smaller ship.

The warp mechanic can include a little change to remove all points for dropping out of warp which result in a collision, if the system is on. The system could have a toggle for being engaged for warp, for normal movement, for neither, or for both.

The damage may encourage battleships "bowling" or ramming, but with their lower speeds it would not be as effective.

Maybe CCP has thought of this like they have thought of poses, which subject is still getting flogged for the longest time, but perhaps they don't realize how much this mechanic hurts their game in sheer stupidity. Computers have evolved enough to handle these calculations quite easily and it is about time for damage from collisions. Intentionally ramming a ship should have substantial consequences on both sides.

There's already a topic on this Andy. Here.

Everyone undocking from jita gets concorded

Nice mechanic

Did you lose your crane to some good bumping?

BTW noticing a trend....

Andy loses ship to a super cynoing in...he posts alot about nerfing cynos.
Andy loses a crane to bumping...now an anti-bumping thread.

This last one is almost as funny as the thread begging for the removal of warp core stabilizers.

Another thing, removing bumping will make fitting epithals very simple, and rather hard to catch in low sec.

bumping mechanism idea moved to a different thread where it prolly fits better...

So people wont have to lose ships at low sec gates anymore, that is why.

Because as a Physicist, it really bothers me that the Laws of Momentum (motion) and of Kinetic Energy (damage) are so blatantly violated in the 0 damage bumping mechanism. I can look past a lot of technology in Science Fiction, but technology cannot change the fundamental laws of Physics. At the very least, we should honor the Law of Momentum.

So you want us to slam 1600 plated, MWDing stabbers into literally everything, right?

Crap, you are right about the MWD mechanic messing it all up with the MWD blowing up the mass (what happened to the Conservation of Mass, anyone?). No wonder CCP turns their head when they see issues like the violation of Conservation of Momentum. Before they know it many of their other mechanics become so obviously bad. And if you are in a mini-warp using the MWD, then collision should be impossible. Probably the easiest way to deal with MWD is to make the ship a ghost to collisions. Could ships stack up that way? Yes, yes, they could, but they are in micro-warp, so that seems reasonable enough.