Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I bolded and underlined the relevant part, I'm pretty sure it's self-explanatory.

You cannot say missiles are good at fleet warfare when there is no missiles fleet in existance.
A small-gang isn't a fleet, it's a ... small gang.

I like how you mention "easy" frig. Like somehow, the only frigates that die to RLML are the ones that suck. Nice try on attempting to downplay my point though. I kill most frigs within 5-8 missiles. With a full clip, that means i could get 2-3 frigs total before warping off, which is pretty decent. Are you wanting to kill an entire frig roam with one clip?

So because my play style is not "preferred", it makes the weapon system useless? So.. i'm killing frigates, using a weapon system designed to kill frigates, but thats not how i should be using it.. because someone wants their constant stream of missiles that frigates have no defense over? At least the RLML, they have a chance to overpower and kill the target through the reload. Yes, i did mention that RLML are hilariously overpowered, until the reload, which then gives frigate pilots a chance to kill RLML boats. That means, your tactics must change (by being fast, and warping off if things get hectic) so you can continue killing frigates, but avoid being taken out yourself.

We're all well aware that sentry drones are broken with omnidirectionals and drone assist. I was just saying that it's not like there's an entire race who only uses missiles. The only people who are only trained to use missiles are very bad people.

A nice suggestion I saw once was to make turrets do damage at the end of their cycle, rather than at the start, which would be cool in many ways, both to balance high-alpha weapons and to make missiles and combat drones less bad relatively. Obviously, logistics would need some of the nerfs they've needed for years if this was to happen.

Small gang to me means up to 30 and that is a fleet.

In fact, a fleet start with two ships if you look in a dictionary.

And there was many many nullsec blob fleets with missiles : Drake, Tengu, Caracal, Talwar ; I heard even Crow fleets are a thing now.

That is plain wrong. All the doctrines I cited just before wouldn't have existed if that were true. The truth is that 6000m/s is more than enough for missiles to be effective up to 100km. That is a proven fact as history showed it.

Rokh and Naga. I don't need to say more I think.

Bouh it is not polite to call people out for using weasel words.

It's mostly even at T1 and T2, but they need some hybrid navy ships. Minmatar are due for some missile ships as well.

funny guy

That's easy to say when you haven't trained the requisite Caldari cruiser and light missile skills to V. What options are left? A hybrid MOA or train up to a Tengu.

Mostly, yes.


Most frigs you say... tell us about those frigs you couldn't kill?


First, it will be even more niche then before and second, it will be useful more on Minmatar ships than Caldari one's which means Caldari pilots have every right to protest.

A frigate classed weapon system on a cruiser, made to specifically kill frigates because HM and HAMS have difficulty doing it (as they should), and then you say that its a very limited scope.. thats the point. No other weapon class has this option. If you look at autocannons, their sig resolution is 120 with 180's up to 425's. This would be like having 180's have a sig resolution of 50 and better tracking, making them niche` for anti-frigate fits. So, if they were to use that as an example, would it be fair to have a clip of 200 rounds, effectively capable of wiping a whole frigate gang, or should they.. i don't know.. put in a long reload and limiting clip size to help prevent them from overpowering any frig gang? That's what you have with RLML. It is meant to be niche`, because its meant to kill frigates, because its an anti-frigate weapon. Not sure how much clearer I can make that.

Killmails you say?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21316480 Hitting him in his highest resist, still died in about 6-7 missiles i believe

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21290751 Again, hitting in his highest resist, but wait, he's a/b fit! surely i couldn't kill one of the fastest frigates in the game, with an a/b within 1 clip! But i did, and then guess what, his 5 other buddies were in warp while he tackled me. Then just as they landed, i left, with a 65m isk kill.

Yes, its the same guy in both kills (he didn't learn the first time i guess). I was harassing a solar gate camp. I'll keep adding to the KM's, don't worry. RLML are nice change of pace from brawling. Fun to separate people from their gang and obliterate them away from their friends.