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Call & Put Options?

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Feurrm Anima
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-12-17 10:26:35 UTC
Has CCP ever considered putting Futures/Forwards or Derivatives(i.e. Call and Put Options) into the marketplace of EVE? I see huge potential for payouts of those who like to make their income primarily from market trading. Thoughts?
EmmaFromMarketing
Prospect Theory
#2 - 2013-12-17 11:09:33 UTC

It's a topic that comes up every couple of months. There are plenty of players interested in the market that would find this useful.

The stumbling block though is finding a way to implement it in game that couldn't be abused.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#3 - 2013-12-17 11:48:02 UTC
Inventive players have come up with ways round the lack of a market system for this, but as Emma says, it is open to abuse, and relies heavily on trust between the two parties

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-17 15:43:56 UTC
Real life has all kinds of invented market tools that primarily exist for the sake of creating money from nothing, taking money from people who don't know any better, and most importantly, evading regulation. Eve already has tools to create money from nothing, scamming is completely legal, and there is no regulation. Thus, I don't really see the need for such tools. P






(note, since people won't get it: This post is sarcasm, mostly.)

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-17 22:44:43 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Real life has all kinds of invented market tools that primarily exist for the sake of creating money from nothing, taking money from people who don't know any better, and most importantly, evading regulation. Eve already has tools to create money from nothing, scamming is completely legal, and there is no regulation. Thus, I don't really see the need for such tools. P






(note, since people won't get it: This post is sarcasm, mostly.)


was going to make a post about how eve already has scamming but you beat me to it with a better written answer. damn u christmas shopping/ hunger games.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Adunh Slavy
#6 - 2013-12-17 23:22:38 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Real life has all kinds of invented market tools that primarily exist for the sake of creating money from nothing, taking money from people who don't know any better, and most importantly, evading regulation.



Real life also has a lot of people with guns, working for government. Those guns are pointed away from the people creating the regulations and conjuring money from thin air. Not only money, but gold, oil, wheat, rice sugar, interest rates, on and on ... to the tune of nearly one quarter of a quadrillion dollars as it stands now.

Equating an Eve scam with the real world's central banks, commercial banks and trading houses is flawed. ISK in Eve was earned at some point in the past. Newly printed bank notes, derivatives and leases on nonexistent physical goods is not nearly same thing.

In Eve there is no government authority.

The only way this sort of thing would work in Eve, beyond players trying to come up with their own trusted (bwahahaha) systems, is if the Eve code demanded collateral of ISK and/or the goods in question.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-17 23:44:41 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Real life has all kinds of invented market tools that primarily exist for the sake of creating money from nothing, taking money from people who don't know any better, and most importantly, evading regulation.



Real life also has a lot of people with guns, working for government. Those guns are pointed away from the people creating the regulations and conjuring money from thin air. Not only money, but gold, oil, wheat, rice sugar, interest rates, on and on ... to the tune of nearly one quarter of a quadrillion dollars as it stands now.

Equating an Eve scam with the real world's central banks, commercial banks and trading houses is flawed. ISK in Eve was earned at some point in the past. Newly printed bank notes, derivatives and leases on nonexistent physical goods is not nearly same thing.

In Eve there is no government authority.

The only way this sort of thing would work in Eve, beyond players trying to come up with their own trusted (bwahahaha) systems, is if the Eve code demanded collateral of ISK and/or the goods in question.


You're taking a non-serious post way too seriously. Ugh

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Pipa Porto
#8 - 2013-12-18 04:56:53 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Real life has all kinds of invented market tools that primarily exist for the sake of creating money from nothing, taking money from people who don't know any better, and most importantly, evading regulation.



Real life also has a lot of people with guns, working for government. Those guns are pointed away from the people creating the regulations and conjuring money from thin air. Not only money, but gold, oil, wheat, rice sugar, interest rates, on and on ... to the tune of nearly one quarter of a quadrillion dollars as it stands now.

Equating an Eve scam with the real world's central banks, commercial banks and trading houses is flawed. ISK in Eve was earned at some point in the past. Newly printed bank notes, derivatives and leases on nonexistent physical goods is not nearly same thing.

In Eve there is no government authority.

The only way this sort of thing would work in Eve, beyond players trying to come up with their own trusted (bwahahaha) systems, is if the Eve code demanded collateral of ISK and/or the goods in question.


You're taking a non-serious post way too seriously. Ugh


Your sarcasm is more accurate than his paranoia.

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