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Pot and Kettle meeting and falling in love?

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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2013-12-18 02:25:59 UTC
It really never ceases to amaze me that people think this is worth talking about.
We have lived through many wars, so have many of you. This is no different. PIE has been targeted by many groups before. We will be again.

To the Stormcrows, I recommend you drop this ridiculous war and go find yourself an honest living, a real cause, or at least an easier target.

As for claims of what PIE has done, will do, won't do or should do regarding the person responsible for hiring these thugs, we've made our position on these matters abundantly clear in the past. As usual, all parties that need to know more than what has already been stated, will. This is a rather disappointing move, but it only really strengthens our resolve.

PIE will stay the course. That course is, and has been for quite some time, to save the inhabitants of the low security regions embroiled in this horrific war. To defend the good and righteous from the atrocious attacks lead by the terrorist Shakor. To sway from that course because some would-be bandits want to make a name or a quick buck would be putting the lives of those we wish to save at risk.

I'm a little embarrassed for you

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-12-18 03:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Silas Vitalia wrote:

I destroyed about a billion isk in acts of piracy and looting just last evening.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-12-18 04:00:02 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it.

What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract?


It may have something to do with her status and the Khanid. Relations have been sensitive so, if they felt it was necessary to rein in our own, I doubt it would be of the public variety. Most of the time, if we don't think another Amarrian is being appropriate, we tend to take care of that privately.

That can be anything from correcting each others' modes of address to executing heretics. It tends to be taken care of in a reasonably polite manner if it can be helped.


Isn't it a little too late for that ? I mean, privately, after all those endless arguments here... ?


Have you ever seen the rivers of the Hedion V limestone forest? They're amazing. Vast stretches of dense, wild jungle with out a single overland river. Early settlers thought it was impossible that it grew that way. All they saw were vast lakes deep set into holes in the ground. There was no other fresh water. Where did the forest come from?

It turns out that the lakes were simply the openings for a series of vast, underground caves through which the water flowed. The trees of the region simply pushed their roots through a couple meters of solid earth to find the water, then shot skyward into spectacular trees. A vast, rich, underground river source that is the lifeblood of the jungle, and the only signs of it above were a few scattered watering holes.

In a way, that's how Amarrian affairs tend to be. There is quite a bit always going beneath the surface. Every now and then, you see something to remind you that it exists, then it swiftly travels underground again.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Aarin Kyasura
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-12-18 04:21:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it.

What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract?

It caught my eye...

For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right?

Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-12-18 04:27:54 UTC
Aarin Kyasura wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it.

What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract?

It caught my eye...

For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right?

Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out.


I suppose we'd have to define "stamp out". When you can't kill your enemies with any permanency, conflicts could feasibly go on for eternity if the participants are stubborn enough.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Aarin Kyasura
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-12-18 04:32:39 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Aarin Kyasura wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it.

What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract?

It caught my eye...

For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right?

Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out.


I suppose we'd have to define "stamp out". When you can't kill your enemies with any permanency, conflicts could feasibly go on for eternity if the participants are stubborn enough.

Fair enough. I would define it as; a completely one sided fight that either results in Stormcrows being rendered ineffective to the point of not even being able to undock for the duration, or scattered to the winds as an organization entirely without inflicting hardly any damage at all in turn.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-12-18 16:32:49 UTC
More likely PIE does not wish to ruffle feathers with Odelya d'Hanguest's parent organization, lest they be slapped.


I wonder, does PIE cooperate with organizations whose membership hire mercenaries to kill them?



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2013-12-18 17:04:22 UTC
Well the other side doesn't seem to care about other Amarr organizations or their opinions. Why should PIE care about Odelya's parent group?

Not trying to be an ass (for once), I'm just trying to understand the nature of the war.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2013-12-18 17:55:56 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Well the other side doesn't seem to care about other Amarr organizations or their opinions. Why should PIE care about Odelya's parent group?

Not trying to be an ass (for once), I'm just trying to understand the nature of the war.


As far as I know, the only group of note in Odelya's case is Khanid nobility. The Khanid have a tendency to group together when threatened as a group, as most do, and so it's important that if PIE decides to move against Odelya that it isn't something that can become a political issue. PIE, unlike a lot of other organizations, has a very clear and direct responsibility to the Amarr Empire, rather than simply being a contracted entity. It makes their work a bit more difficult, since they have to keep those political elements in mind when others don't necessarily need to, but I suppose that's why I give them quite a bit more respect than your average mercenary or quasi-political organization. They could easily make their jobs easier by ignoring those considerations.

So if PIE decides to do something about her, I assume it will either be extremely well justified or very quiet. We may not hear about it. That's the way issues like this are generally handled. It probably would still be that way in this situation, save that it was all dragged out in public.

It's one of those things that make us a bit uncomfortable as Amarrians. The image of a sputtering braggadocio is generally regarded as pathetic in the Empire. If you're known, you're best to be known for polite conversation, intelligent discourse, or concise rhetoric. My father had a favorite saying, "Just because someone throws mud out of the pit at you doesn't mean you should jump in."

There are always exceptions, but you'll notice the higher up the totem pole of Amarrian society you get, the more controls are imposed on your behavior. At the highest levels, merely being rude to the wrong people at the wrong time can get your life destroyed, figuratively and literally. In the end, if Odelya has indeed crossed the line, PIE might not even get to her in time. The Khanid are often even more strict than the rest of the Empire.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Anslo
Scope Works
#30 - 2013-12-18 18:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
I get the politics involved sort of but...Odelya aggressed first. Even if PIE attacked her and the Khanid, wouldn't it be justified? If the Khanid politicians start having issues, couldn't the Amarr just point to Odelya and tell em to leash up their dog or else?...

I feel like any political ramifications could be made moot simply because PIE is acting in defense against a yapping selfcentered pornstar...

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#31 - 2013-12-18 18:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Lady d'Hanguest herself is a member of an Amarr militia corporation. PIE does not condone infighting between militia forces. Any actions taken will be with that in mind.

Both organizations that have directly declared war, Stormcrows and Ishtirak d'Hanguest, will have their hostilities met where appropriate, obviously.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-12-18 18:40:43 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Lady d'Hanguest herself is a member of an Amarr militia corporation. PIE does not condone infighting between militia forces. Any actions taken will be with that in mind.

Both organizations that have directly declared war, Stormcrows and Ishtirak d'Hanguest, will have their hostilities met where appropriate, obviously.


A reasonable statement.

Will Odeyla's membership in said Amarr militia organization sour their relationship with PIE? Can you work alongside an organization whose membership wants you harmed? Throw the rotten apple out with the entire bushel, or let it fester?

Or will it be more of a brushed under the carpet by the house servant sort of scenario?


Thank you to the Praetorians for their responses thus far, of course.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-12-18 19:44:12 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I get the politics involved sort of but...Odelya aggressed first. Even if PIE attacked her and the Khanid, wouldn't it be justified? If the Khanid politicians start having issues, couldn't the Amarr just point to Odelya and tell em to leash up their dog or else?...

I feel like any political ramifications could be made moot simply because PIE is acting in defense against a yapping selfcentered pornstar...


Why would other Amarrian organizations imply themselves in what is mostly a war of egos ?
Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2013-12-18 19:48:27 UTC
I dunno Lyn, that's why I asked. I was reading some stuff here that hinted at larger parties being involved that would prevent PIE from acting. Namely Khanid and the Empress' administration.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-12-18 20:56:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Constantin Baracca
Anslo wrote:
I dunno Lyn, that's why I asked. I was reading some stuff here that hinted at larger parties being involved that would prevent PIE from acting. Namely Khanid and the Empress' administration.


As far as capsuleer corporations go, PIE is sort of the big blinking light of the Amarrian Empire. There are probably other organizations that are larger, more influential with the government, that make more money, or that are more important to the war effort. I don't know them and haven't looked up the statistics to see where in the grand scheme of things PIE sits. It mostly isn't important. To most people, PIE is who you think of when you think of Imperial loyalty.

In short, a few more organizations declaring war on them, especially random mercenary corporations and their employers, isn't even at the top of PIE's priority list. They're a magnet for people who just don't like Amarrians, some of whom are quite a bit more sickening and violent than your average mercenary group. So while we gossipers titter about things like this, for them, this is just another Wednesday.

The only thing that really matters is how they're going to handle the politics of it. I'll assume that her handlers, if they don't decide that she's become more trouble than she's worth, will stay clear and let her sink or swim in the hole she's dug herself. The government doesn't need a mercenary group to deal with her if they think she's significantly weakening our defenses. They'll break her spurs and seize her holdings if this becomes more than another random capsuleer disagreement.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-12-18 21:30:10 UTC
It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2013-12-18 21:51:59 UTC
Now that I see where they're moving...this almost looks like a war of reputations. Odelya's crew are covering spots PIE cannot due to deployment schedules. I got reports of Minmatar fleets nomal in charge of the zone getting wiped out. And quick. Maybe Odelya's trying to rub salt in the wound of their pride by accomplishing something new in the zone.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-12-18 21:58:26 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw.


If he hadn't, would this have been news? To PIE, though, I can't see this being exceptionally important, at least not in any technical sense. There's enough "red" where they live that a few more probably won't even register.

If they decided to completely abandon the field and go hunting, I would be much more shocked.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Anslo
Scope Works
#39 - 2013-12-18 22:03:09 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It didn't seem to be 'just another Wednesday' to Mr Shutaq last night. I hesitate to use the word 'frothing' but he was doing a fairly good impression of that from what I saw.


If he hadn't, would this have been news? To PIE, though, I can't see this being exceptionally important, at least not in any technical sense. There's enough "red" where they live that a few more probably won't even register.

If they decided to completely abandon the field and go hunting, I would be much more shocked.

Like I said, this doesn't look like a 'who can blow up the most on the other side' kind of war. Their deployment times dont even match it's about reputation. With high sec assets and recruits under fire by Stormcrows, Odelya is seemingly free to show her group as more capable in the warzone and more effective in combat.

I have no idea how this will turn out.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2013-12-18 22:19:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Now that I see where they're moving...this almost looks like a war of reputations. Odelya's crew are covering spots PIE cannot due to deployment schedules. I got reports of Minmatar fleets nomal in charge of the zone getting wiped out. And quick. Maybe Odelya's trying to rub salt in the wound of their pride by accomplishing something new in the zone.


That's actually pretty cunning. One has to wonder when PIE will contract mercenaries of their own to disperse the harassing fleets of Stormcrows so that they can return to business as usual?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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