Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why should only armor tankers be affected by the change? What is the gameplay benefit to limiting the mechanic to those without shields?
Incidentally, your ship always has some shields, because it regenerates a couple points every tick.

Who gets CONCORDed?

Posting in a secret buff titans thread.

However we actually might see titans on grid more often then when there is a battleship fleet shooting some structures, just go bowling and pop half their battleships when your titans land.

How would that even remotely make sense?

Obviously you haven't been near null anytime in the last 5 years.


Anyway, bumping will always be a part of EVE and collisions never will be.

Just remember, anything you get, I also get.

We can depend on CONCORD to enforce the rules on illegal aggression when a mining barge causes collision damage on my alt's newb ship, correct? I'm pretty sure I can arrange to not have shields when that happens, if for some reason, shields need to be a mechanic for this.

The benefit of limiting it to shieldless ships is to not have accidental bumping provoking ship damage... It doens't need to be zero shields, it can be something like <5% shields provoke collision damage.

Reading Lucy Riraille's post made me think of a solution for the aggression mechanics. The ramming only happens if a MWD is on.
So whoever has the MWD on at the time of the bump gets an agression timer.
Maybe yellow flagging MWD in highsec?

The gameplay benefit is a ramming tactic. What is the crippling problem?


By yellow flagging I meant that activating it requires you to turn the yellow pvp flag on. You know, that same way you have to if you want to use smartbombs in highsec. It's not an optimal idea, it's just one idea I came up with. Another idea could be a ramming propulsion module, but I personally don't like it.

If you want to use the proposed ramming for suicide ganking you have to:
1 - tear your target's shield off
2 - tear your own ramming ship's shield off (can be done before 1 but it's risky, since your shields can regenerate)
3 - burn with your MWD on towards and hit the target
Simply MWD bumping a shielded ship does not damages it, so it's not as WHEEEE as you say.

My bad, I meant red safety. Just like a smartbomb you only get a criminal flag (not suspect) if you damage someone by ramming him.
Activating the propulsion module by itself would not be illegal, just like activating a smartbomb is not. It's illegal only if you damage someone else's ship with it.

Ok, why should activating a Prop Mod bring Concord down on your head just because you bounced off of something in an armor tanking mission ship?

Why is the need for collision damage so pressing that, even with vast limitations* you're willing to effectively ban prop mods (and all that come with them) in HS to get it?


At a certain point you have to look at what caveats, exemptions, and special rules you've had to carve out and see if the wheel still looks round.


*Only with an active prop mod**. Only if both ships have empty shields. Only on alternate Tuesdays.

**Because, I guess, an MWD Rifter has more damaging potential than a Mach who just switched his MWD off.




Again, fixing a problem introduced by the proposal is not a benefit. It is a kludge.
Is there any gameplay benefit, not related to fixing problems introduced by collision damage in the first place, that limiting that mechanic to shieldless ships brings?

I was talking about the various collide-able scatter found in most every mission. Damaging non-Hostile NPC stuff tends to get you CONCORDed.



Sweet, every idea is perfect because it hasn't been tested yet. Therefore, nothing should ever be tested, that way the ideas will remain perfect.

You get that this exchange doesn't actually make sense as an argument, right:
Me: "Anticipated Problem"
You: "Well it's not an actual problem because we haven't implemented it yet, so we can ignore it."


In other words, Is there any gameplay benefit, not related to fixing problems that will be introduced by collision damage in the first place, that limiting that mechanic to shieldless ships brings*?

Why the prop mod only limitation? Is there any gameplay benefit, not related to fixing problems that will be introduced by collision damage in the first place,** that limiting the mechanic to the magical kinetic energy only provided by prop mods provides?

Is there any gameplay benefit, not related to fixing problems that will be introduced by collision damage in the first place***, that forcing people to fly around with red safeties in order to use a simple prop mod provides?

You're making the proposal. Surely you can figure out how to articulate the pressing need for this mechanic?
In what ways will collision damage improve the game?****

*Armor only is your kludge to solve the Freighter in front of Jita problem.
**The prop mod idea is your kludge to determine who the aggressor is.
***Red safeties for prop mods is your kludge to fix free/low cost ganking.
****"We need X mechanic because it will give us X mechanic" is circular, not a proper answer.


P.S.
You might want to look up what "Rhetoric" actually is before you end up complimenting people in your ad hominem attacks.