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Its been explained to death several times over the years. Have fun.

No. EVE is a Long Term high risk game. It should remain that way. Every choice you make in this game affects the outcome of your future and how well you are at it. You want Skill remapping, Go join Star Trek Online. Go play Casual games where your choices do not matter ever. I have plenty of skills I would love to shed. BUT the moment that option becomes viable. I am gone. The game lost its Risk and charm. This game has already Catered to much to the Casual Players and keeps losing it's novelty as it gets dumbed down more and more.

People are against skill reassignment because

-It dumbs down the skill system from "spend time developing proficiencies in topics you want to become better at" to "I've been playing longer, therefore I'm better". One of the key points of EVE's skill system as it applies to newbies is that a new player who spends 3 months training skills for PVP is better at PVP than someone who spent 4 years training industry skills.

-It allows people to easily retrain into flavor of the month and negates any investment into a particular topic. I have near-maxed skills as they apply to frigate PVP because I've chosen to pursue that, but I have literally zero capital skills. Your suggestion implies that I should, at a whim, be able to turn Kahega into a well-skilled capital pilot for no other reason than because the account has been active for years.

-Making it limited doesn't actually fix any of the problems with it, it just makes them less glaring. I can still respec into flavor of the month, I can still take a PVP frigate pilot and turn him into a well-skilled industrial character on a whim, which negates any interesting progression from the perspective of older players. It also takes a giant dump on new players by creating an oppressive skill advantage for older players, since no amount of focused skilling can negate the advantage of "I'll just dump some of this SP I have lying around into *cool new thing*"




"I want it" is only valid for simple things that don't have serious repercussions. Game design is complicated. Good game design is not achieved by a bunch of people in a room yelling out things that they want. If you want to suggest a change to a game that is as detailed and complicated as EVE, then you damn well better be prepared to talk about why your change would make the game better and why the objections other people will raise are not valid, or at least not enough to make your suggestion bad.

You did not do any of those things. You just wrote "Do this", as if CCP would love to implement this but just forgot or something.



Sure, but if I were to make a thread about them, I would provide an argument for why it would make EVE a better game, and I would address the reasons that people may think it would harm the game.

... he asks people playing a game known for its ruthlessness and dystopian overtones in one of the most "bitter" forum sub-sections.

OP... even wih a restriction this type of thig will ALWAYS be to the greater advantage of veteran players.

- We can afford to keep a chunk of our yearly SP allotment "unallocated" (see: free floating) until something new and shiney comes along. Then we can insta-train into it (i know one guy who still has his 1.5 million SP refund from years ago when Learning Skills were removed).
- We can use attribute maps to hyperspecialize in certain skills (that are not important)... then, when the yearly remap comes along, we remap those skills and put the SP in skills we are not optimized for (see: it pretty much removes the point of having attributes in the first place as it would allow people to train at "max speed" for everything).
- It encourages a FOTM mentality among younger and/or low-SP players (never a good thing).
- It reinforces the perception that total SP = IWIN (which isn't true, but is already endemic among newbies).

I think it also removes some of the fun and nostalgia from ingame.

For example: I can fly Phoenixes. Really well. Because at one point I thought missiles were awesome, and I didn't have a corp but I wanted a dread. Now would it be fair for me to take all of those Phoenix skills and put them into a Naglfar now that CFC is using that as a fit? Absolutely not. I should have to suffer the fact that I am amazing at flying a really stupid ship. Maybe some day those skills will be useful, and my Capital Missiles will rain death on my enemies.

But for now, those are an important part of my character's history. I shouldn't be able to "trade up" for FOTW using my massive levels of SPs.

Also, one of the biggest problems with this is how it works with yearly remaps. I could remap my character to maximize training memory and intelligence skills, then remap all those skillpoints into low-attribute skills.

Among the most frequently-represented groups here in Features & Ideas is the group of people who want instant gratification.

EVE is not an instant-gratification sort of game. In fact, that sort of game design runs exactly counter to what has made EVE the amazing and addictive game it is today. If CCP were to start catering to the instant-gratification group and adding things like twice-yearly remaps, SP remapping, quicker training times, lower training requirements, or any of the other multitudes of "make EVE faster" ideas, I guarantee you they'd start bleeding subscriptions faster than you can say "sliced jugular vein".

The OP misses the most important point.
EVE'S USP is that choices have consequences and that there is no such thing as a biult-in pay2win function.

If SP could be redistributed freely by buying the right for it from CCP, then, truely it would add a pay2win component to this game.

Consequence? Ppl go back to WoW or GW2 or KOTOR...

There are many tools that help a pilot choosing his skill plans, be it EVEMon, or the ingame Certificate/Mastery/ISIS system.

I don't even want to imagine the flood of petitions after pilots misremap their SP and think that they were better off before...

If u "wasted" SP? Deal with it! THE STANDARD ANSWER FOR EVERY TROUBLE IN EVE!

If u want to train something else? Skill it and be happy when the skill is through, just like everybody else in EVE does!
Imagine ppl with multiple accounts who have different pilots specialized in different things. Sure as hell, one day you are logged in with your. say Minmatar projectile specialized char, but you want to use this pilot for a lowsec/nullsec bomber roam...
OMG!!! I dont' have the skills for torps or bombs on this char.... Well, in that case, too bad... train it with this char too and wait until done... I have to deal with that every time...

PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted Skills

You do not get reimbursed for skills or skill books.

Excellent responses! Thanks for the feedback.

I love this community.