Player Features and Ideas Discussion

After shooting a suspect in high sec, I ended up with a very large standing hit. Way bigger than any I've gotten before.

15933232942 2013.11.28 02:59 -75.0 % Combat - Pod Kill
15873801625 2013.11.23 21:30 -12.0 % Combat - Ship Kill

My standing with the npc corporation the capsuleer belonged to went from 0.00 to -7.91(-5.76 with my skills)

That seems to me to be way overkill. Now I want to stay away from shooting people, less I ruin my standing with a corp that I would run missions for. That really takes away from the fun of the new crimewatch mechanics. Suspects and criminals are supposed to be a free engagement. A capsuleer shouldn't be punished for shooting somebody that hasn't been nice to other players.

I think that a player should lose standing if they shoot a neutral capsuleer in high/low. But once a player goes suspect or criminal that should be reduced or removed. Maybe reduced for suspect and totally removed for criminal.

Like to know what everybody else thinks.

Yeah suspect was in a npc corp, Caldari state militia. This thread was the idea of GM that replied to my petition.

He probably proposed it, since it's a case of working as intended. You've always taken a standings hit from shooting people belonging to NPC corps no matter where you kill them. As a GM he can't exactly start changing things on his own, so you need to get CCP devs to change the design, if you want the hit to be removed or mitigated.

That said why should you not get the hit? Just because it was legal doesn't mean their corporation shouldn't take offense when you attack their members. The action being legal doesn't necessarily equal it being right or even acceptable to the receiving side. That's how most player run corps would take it, so why do you think NPC corps shouldn't mimic that behavior? As for its affect on missioning, it's not like it's a faction wide penalty and you only need to fulfill one standings requirement(personal, corp or faction) to gain access to an agent, so the effect should be minimal to missioning. What I'm getting at is: Are you facing actual real issues as a consequence of this or are these theoretical worries, that should be gotten rid of because reason(s) X?

Just to be clear you don't need to convince me of anything. I'm indifferent either way, but the better your case the more likely it'll lead to action on CCP's part.

Because this kind of behavior from an NPC corp is kind of an anomaly. NPC corps by and large do not have such agency anywhere else, and they shouldn't "take offense" at things that happen between players that do not otherwise involve NPCs. If you don't think this is an absurdity, consider that the OP could have been in the same militia, or even in the same militia corp and the same penalty would have happened. There's little downside to losing standings with the academy corporations, but for the other NPC corporations and the FW corporations the standings do matter in some situations.

NPC standings are as old as the game itself and have largely not been touched since. Just because they are working as intended doesn't mean they aren't completely outdated and out of step with where the game has come in the last 10 years.

So far this idea seams kinda 'meh'. Ill cross my fingers and hope CCP takes a look at the game mechanic. I'd like to see it removed all together and make Concord sec status all thats affected.

Except that they do it anyway.

how exactly does it prevent anything? Also the mechanics in question here predate FW by years.

forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3181678

Here is an earlier thread with the issue.
This is not new at all, CCP just don't care.

I find extra security for NPC corp inhabitants revolting though.
They are already safe against awox and wardecs and 11% tax is miniscule.