EVE General Discussion

Everyone already knows that more ships blow up in low / high sec everyday than all of Null. Only reason to have a Carrier is rat with in Null/ move stuff around. There is never going to be the fights that everyone wants to happen because the game can't handle it.
Null is not some mystery everyone already knows why Null is broken / large scale fleet fights are a joke.
Why does BNI have over 5000 players ? Alts from every major Null Alliance looking for fun fights.
Again the systems are already limiting the number of players. Stop trying to sell EVE for what its not and face it for what it is.
Large scale fleet fights either end with Large amounts of Lag or the node crashing.

Null sec SoV is broken. Not one Alliance has lost Sov due to a large fleet battle.
By limiting the number of pilots to a system it opens up more of Null stops Lag/crashes


More people in Null=Win


Not a week goes by in the History of Eve where more ships didn't blow up in low/high sec. FACT

It sounds like you don't understand EvE.

Please go play WoW, it sounds like something that might suit you better.

Maybe having a staged fight with preset fleets with both sides knowing what ship types is an answer.

Because the random nature that we all want does not work on a large scale. The game can't handle that.
Limit the number of pilots to a system like in Jita would change and shake up EVE to its roots.

Long term Alliances in Null ( making billions on renter income per month) would be the ones most affected by this.


Stable no lag/crashes pvp would be so nice. Limit the number of pilots to a system.

Its really that simple


and the 300 man Carrier fight did what ? Crash the game ? Tidi ? Sounds like fun :) What do Carrier pilots do outside of crashing the game ? :) We all know whats up just face it

The answer to what? Actually, never mind, no it won't. That's just static nonsense that doesn't really belong in the game and that (once again) only favours the larger alliances. Killing emergent gameplay just because you want to create a completely static political map is not a good reason or a good outcome.

…except that it happens on a regular basis, so obviously the game can handle it.

It would indeed shake up all of EVE, primarily by making it completely static since there would be no way to take space from larger entities. Just because you are clueless about the mechanics, dynamics, and behaviour of Jita doesn't mean you can apply that cluelessness to other parts of the game that share none of Jita's characteristics.

Sure it would, if it didn't come at the cost of a complete removal of nullsec gameplay.

So, again:
• In what way is nullsec broken?
• How does giving large coalitions an unassailable stranglehold on all of null open up more of null?
• Why are you proposing a solution that lets fewer people play in null?

Of course not. This is EvE. Honourable 500vs500 frigates at the sun, winner gets sov.


Just north of 4360 as I recall. Last night's fight crashed around 1800.

Please, do enlighten us where this magic node crashing number lays OP. Because we don't know. Which, addressing your bolded point, keeps the control of the game with CCP. Whereas announcing a hard cap puts it in the hands of the players, as we can then meta game around that number to lock out enemy assets from escalating. Assuming we let them into the system to start a fight in the first place. Speaking of 6VDT - we DID have 850+ people in system before the defenders even showed up for the timer.



You do realize that a 150 man frigate fleet jumping a gate causes traffic control / tidi right? That's why Jita has a cap. It would be constant TIDi in Jita from all the people undocking and jumping into system, that's why the population cap. It has to do with how the character is loaded into the destination system. Why does Jita need the cap? Because highseccers moan when TIDI hits Jita, god forbid they go to a different hub to do their shopping. It's no different than going to the supermarket and complaining about all the people in the store. It does not translate to a battlefield where everyone in system is there for the same objective.

As to your "we'll just take XYZ", do tell us how long it takes to take over a system. Your solution results in "fights" reduced to alarm clocking for downtime, then racing to fill the system and leave a minimized client running. You do know thousands of people already alarm clock at 4am to participate in these TIDI lag fests for hours right? It's infinitely easier to just go back to bed after logging in to fill the system.


No one benefits from node crashing. If you read up on what happened last night, both sides are accusing each other of intentionally crashing the server. They each think they were in the superior position at the time of the crash. Both sides still had aces up their sleeves and the strategic fight that you're talking about wanting was not played out in full. Despite system population below HALF of what we know to be possible.

As for who benefits from the rest of your statement - everyone.

You see, every member of these null power blocks receives this income. It comes in the form of ship reimbursement. They go out and get blown up, and they get paid for it.

What do they do with this ISK? They go to Jita, buy replacement ships lining the pockets of high sec industrialists and miners with null power block ISK. Then they courier contract it to their home system, keeping jump freighter fuel consumption nice and high for the ice miners.

You haven't seen Harry's threads have you ?

Because of Poe's law.
For every troll, there will be 10 people who actually believe the same nonsense genuinely, so the troll becomes a handy proxy for addressing their ignorance.

You might find this devblog enlightening.



Microsoft was an early and helpful supporter of CCP, and as the above-linked devblog mentions (somewhat offhandedly), an ever-increasing amount of the heavy-lifting code is written in C++, and called asynchronously from Python.

ccp didn't think that an alliance would field that many caps with drones in a single system.

I miss the days of one fleet against one fleet. 250 vs. 250, those were good times. RIP EVE