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Okay so I have just returned to Eve after being away for a very long time and have forgotten more than I remember. I was doing some mining but really ended up researching more than anything. I don;t seem to have a big mining ship at all but I do have a little money and a couple PLEX so if I need to sell I can. I figure I will get back in by mining for a while and see what happens.
I have a Raven that I really don't know how to use effectively so here are my questions
For now I will run high sec until I get used to the game again and can work my way to low sec (never did make it to low sec when I played years ago)

1) Should I just outfit my Raven and use that to mine?
2) I have mining barge 5 skill, should I get a ship based on that?
3) I see postings saying the Retriever or Procurer are the way to go. I seem to have the skills to use one of those already also.

What ship do you recommend? what fit/rigs? I will be playing solo if that makes a difference.

I played with a friend back in the day and I do have a badger for transport if that matters at all.

Thanks in advance for any advice, and I hope I posted this in the right place.

Hey thanks for the reply. The links were very helpful also. I think I will try strip mining with a procurer first. It seems with the 200% strip mining bonus I would be more able to get the ore and fill my hold faster in those more hostile environments. The hold on the venture seemed pretty tiny and I would assume that using cans would be the best idea.
please correct me if I am wrong.
I know I can just looks some up but do you have any recommended fits, rigs for the procurer for me?
Do we still benefit a lot from the implants as well?

Thanks again

Basically, all mining barges are bonused in a way, that their yield (without mining barge/exhumer skill bonus) equals 3 strip miners. Retriever/Mackinaw are currently the best solo ships, Procurer/Skiff the tankiest ones (70k EHP are easily possible with both, Skiff even more, with lots of PG and CPU to fit all modules you need).
Due to the increased activity of gankers in certain areas (I've recently moved to a 0.5 system with ice anomalies, and within the past days, have watched several ganks take place, mostly Retrievers and Covetors so far), I would recommend a procurer if you wish to feel safe, otherwise a Retriever if it's a relatively quiet system.
Regarding Implants, yes, we still benefit from those, 5% mining yield resp. 5% decreased ice cylcle time do add up in the long run. If you plan on mining for a longer time, those are worth the ISK imho.

Dude, don't look at the yield multiplier in isolation! Look at the yield multiplier multiplied by the number of strippers you can fit.

One hull can fit 3 strippers, but has a 0% yield multiplier, thus 3 effective strippers.
Another hull can fit 2 strippers, but has a 50% yield multiplier, thus 3 effective strippers.
The third hull can fit 1 stripper, but has a 200% yueld multiplier, thus - again - 3 effective strippers.

All the strippers!

Here are some numbers to help you choose.
Max skills - Ice
Covetor: 168
Hulk: 177
Diff: 9 blocks
Time to cover diff cost: 120 hours high sec ice
Time to cover diff cost: 38 hours top null sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~50minutes high sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~15min top null sec ice

Retriever: 158
Mack: 166
Diff: 8
Time to cover diff cost: 111 hours high sec ice
Time to cover diff cost: 35 hours top null sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~1hour high sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~20min top null sec ice

Procurer: 143
Skiff: 151
Diff: 8
Time to cover diff cost: 82 hours high sec ice
Time to cover diff cost: 26 hours top null sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~25min high sec ice
Time to cover base cost: ~7min top null sec ice

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The difference between hulk and a procurer is about 6,460,000 per hour in high sec ice weighted avg. and 20,400,000 per hour in the highest null sec ice weighted avg.

In my opinion, the procurer-retriever-and hulk are the best mining ships period.
Procurer due to high tank per isk.
Take this build for example: Cost about 28million, on a character that is freshly made and only skilled up to us it, has 60k OMNI EHP. takes 19 days to do it too. Right off the bat, plug in cybernectic 1-3, remap to max memory with rest int.
then once you fill out the supporting skills it will reach as high as 80k EHP omni, ship fit still only costing ~28mill. you can reach as high as 100k+ omni EHP simply by swaping out the t1 core rigs and replacing em with t2, but that increases the cost little past 100mill per ship.
Major weakness to this build and pretty much all procurers. is being capped. You can safely swap the thermic mod for a cap injector and time each use with the shield cycles as much as you can.
Build
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[Low]
DCU II
Ice Harvestor T2
[Mid]
Em Ward T2
Thermic Diss. T2
Adaptive inv x2 T2
[High]
Ice harvester t2
REQUIRED IMPLANTS
Genolution: Ca-1, Ca-2

Strengths of this build: It has even resistance spread, on EveHQ shows: 75.87% EM / 72.83% Kin / 77.36% Exp / 80.70% Therm (63.78% if you swap for a cap injector)

Weakness of this build; While cap stable, it can be capped out fairly fast, like all other procurers.
I keep hearing people tell me skiffs are better, better this, better that and so on, but only marginally and have a massive cost to the upgrades they provide. I have yet to find a reason to field a fleet of them.


Retrievers are great due to their low cost and massive ore holds. If you can mine safely I'd recommend the retriever above all else.
An ok build is:
[Low]
DCU II
Ice harvester Upgrade x2 T2
[Mid]
Empty - put in anything you want here, as long as it keeps you cap stable
[High]
Ice Harvestor x2 T2
15k EHP Omni, and it costs only ~40mill per ship. The Tank on it is not very high, but it is enough to help you survive a solo gank.

Hulk is a fleet ship. Fit for the operation. If there is going to be a mining operation where hulks are involved, it better come with security. If fit for tank, they are only slightly better than a procurer, and I do mean SLIGHTLY. At this point the procurer overshadows the hulk massively. So it is pretty much required to fit for mining yield/speed.
If there is no security, downgrade to a retriever if safe, or a procurer. There is simply no reason to field a very expensive fleet if there is no security.

Don't use your Raven to mine.

Use a Procurer or Retriever in high sec. Use a Procurer when you're not in a (friendly) group. Use a retriever when you're part of a fleet. Make sure to install some tanky modules to fend off the NPC rats and maybe last long enough to flee if gankers show up.

The badger is useful if you're hauling in a fleet or to sell your ore when you're done. If you can afford one, a Kryos or Miasmos is "better" just for the hauling ore/minerals part. A badger is always great for hauling other stuff.

You'll want to do some missions to build standings with useful NPC corps. The corps you choose will be based on what use you want to make of them. At a minimum, having standings with corps with a selection of L4 security missions, at least a couple R&D agents, and a good selection of 50% refining stations can't hurt anything, even if you don't decide to stick with mining. I'd suggest Kaalakiota if you have no idea what corps to look at. I've found found their stations in at least three of the racial empires.

When you move to low sec, you can either use a nimble and slippery Venture (with its tiny ore hold) or a Procurer. I wouldn't use either a Retriever or Covetor in low sec.

Since you're returning after a long break and you don't have an existing network of friends, considering joining the Eve University. It's a great resource and you'll find people willing and able to teach you all the elements of Eve. We have a specialized mining group as well as campuses in Low and Null Sec...and even a Wormhole group. We have lessons for every activity in Eve. You don't have to be super social to be a member, I'm part of the mining campus but I spend a fair amount of time doing things on my own. When I'm feeling in a social mood I'll fleet up in a mining op or run missions with other campus members.

Welcome back to eve and most importantly, have fun while you're fl

Mostly great info here but always be aware of misinformation. Notably Kate Starks comment about NOT fitting a DCII or tank on your mining vessel. Certainly on a Mackinaw you will want to fit a Damage Control II module as a bare minimum. So many mining ships nowadays fit no tank at all and are suicide ganked as a result. Mackinaws are not cheap to replace.

Also no one mines in low sec. Anything you can find as far as ores are concerned can be found in high sec nowadays. As for nullsec you won't probably have the connections to do that. Most mining in nullsec happens in 'deep blue' ie deep in alliance controlled territory.

Here is what I am aiming to:
[Procurer, Procurer high yield in high sec]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67755-Procurer-high-yield-in-high-sec.html#ixzz2neX9MP7Y

Cheap and should has reasonable yield with 2 mining upgrades. Covetor will make job done quickier, but you have to risk jet can or fly to base more often (like after every 3 mining cycles) and it is much bigger gank magnet. With Retriever you tempted to go afk mining sinse it will take time to fill its cargo hold. So I thing procurer is the gold middle here... ;)

deep EM resist hole, 154,440 m3 per hour, 35k Omni EHP fresh character, 48k Omni EHP skilled
Take my fit posted, swap out the ice harvest high and low mod, add MLU T2, add mod strip miner II.
Same resistance profile as stated before, high Omni EHP, and it mines 141,552 m3 per hour. A difference of 12,888 m3 per hour.
your build does indeed mine more per hour, but you give up so so soooo much to get that extra 12,888 m3 per hour.

*edit: also add the mining drones, forgot to add that, to be comparative to your fit.
with out mining drones, your fit mines 139,572 m3 per hour, and mine 128,052 m3 per hour, a difference of 11,520 m3 per hour.