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"DSCAN DISRUPTOR" in patch Rubicon 1.1.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-12-15 09:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Here's the way I see it. Setting something up to make Dscanning a bit harder is only a small advantage for the person who wants to stay off Dscan. This only matters if they're afk or otherwise sitting static at a belt, celestial, station or gate of some variety, really, because if they're in a deadspace pocket, you're going to have to probe them anyway, and if they're bouncing from one celestial to another, neither probing nor dscanning will work, you'll have to guess where they're going to land next and beat them to it if you wanna catch them. At the most, all this does is provide a limited negation of having to set up deep safes, which you wouldn't be able to dscan either, anyway.

If you think about it, the tracking camera gave Dscan a lot more power. I don't consider it OP, but I do think this new structure will give it some more balance. So here's to new mobile structures to blow up.

Also, this thread is still based entirely on rumour. Regardless of how reliable the source is....

IBTL

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-12-15 09:37:25 UTC
Also to answer OP's question, it's not a troll. Sarmatiko is very reliable about this sort of thing. He gets his information from data dumps of one of the non-public test servers (I believe the one he uses is Chaos).

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Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#23 - 2013-12-15 09:45:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also to answer OP's question, it's not a troll. Sarmatiko is very reliable about this sort of thing. He gets his information from data dumps of one of the non-public test servers (I believe the one he uses is Chaos).


And how does he access that without breaking rules? I expect something bad to happen to him soon ^.^
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#24 - 2013-12-15 09:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
the immediate up in arms won't be about blocking d-scan its about identifying for CCP that...

(a) nobody wants to press d-scan a thousand times for no enemy reported.
its a horrible way of telling the game that you are paying attention, and I would stop playing if that becomes required. I was on the d-scan for an hour on friday (due to my escalation resetting over DT), clearing an escalation, and I'm fine with doing that as it was a hostile system with a hostile present. I don't want to do it all day if there is nobody in system.

(b) nobody wants to be tackled whilst paying full attention. Evasion, even from a cloaked tackler has to remain a viable strategy, presuming one is careful about setup, avoids being held down by NPCs, and makes use of all available intel.

(c) there isn't a lot of point to alliance intel (in fact by and large the way my alliance coooperates cross corp), if we can't detect and report hostiles. Having to put alts on gates to do that sucks. That would require 60 alts to give us equivalent coverage, and making "2 accounts required" tasks has always been bad for EVEs reputation.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#25 - 2013-12-15 09:57:55 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also to answer OP's question, it's not a troll. Sarmatiko is very reliable about this sort of thing. He gets his information from data dumps of one of the non-public test servers (I believe the one he uses is Chaos).


And how does he access that without breaking rules? I expect something bad to happen to him soon ^.^


Which rules?

Oh god.
Kate stark
#26 - 2013-12-15 10:00:03 UTC
after reading that article, i am intrigued.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Unholey
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-12-15 10:00:16 UTC
As someone that lives in W-space and all this talk of local... Lol

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-15 10:00:58 UTC
This decoy unit.

It intrigues me.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#29 - 2013-12-15 10:01:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh look, some very powerful modules CCP is going to half-ass and break everything for months to come.


Indeed, more of those "wouldn't it be cool if we had this new gimmick" stuff that will fck up balance and game play for years to come. See supercaps and jumping.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-15 10:04:44 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh look, some very powerful modules CCP is going to half-ass and break everything for months to come.


Indeed, more of those "wouldn't it be cool if we had this new gimmick" stuff that will fck up balance and game play for years to come. See supercaps and jumping.


In all fairness, new gimmicks are welcome now and then.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-12-15 10:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Speaking of intrigue, this is not only useful for buffing PVE, but PVP also. Think of all those FW pilots who dscan their plexes before venturing inside to make sure noone is there, only to find he signed up for a PVP corp and he's going to get PVP whether he likes it or not.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2013-12-15 10:54:39 UTC
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#33 - 2013-12-15 11:02:47 UTC
I think this is linked into the changes to local, you have to sit back and asses it with an eye to that, I am of course already getting a warm cozy feeling from this, it looks from my prespective that CCP are on the right track...

For myself and my own game play I rather like it, I also like the sound of the decoy module, perhaps space will become big again, who knows, anyway as gankbears often use this phrase lets go for it "Adapt or die!"

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#34 - 2013-12-15 11:03:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Speaking of intrigue, this is not only useful for buffing PVE, but PVP also. Think of all those FW pilots who dscan their plexes before venturing inside to make sure noone is there, only to find he signed up for a PVP corp and he's going to get PVP whether he likes it or not.
Yes, instead of getting the lay of the land and making intelligent decisions, let's all charge around like blind mildly ******** children, crossing our fingers that we outnumber/counterfit the other guy, if there is another guy.

Flawless plan comrade.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#35 - 2013-12-15 11:15:40 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This thread makes me smile.

How can you make jokes when EVE IS DYING

Oh god.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-12-15 11:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
id rather have a local disruptor than a dscan disruptor, using dscan actually requires a degree of skill.

then again, if you want to make camps even harder to scout, by all means do a dscan disruptor...

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-15 11:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Personally I hate D-scan and Local. "SURPRISE! I'M HERE!" is much better.

You've made your opinions on the subject quite clear. Fortunately for you you already have the option of avoiding both.


And how do you avoid showing up in local? Stay logged off?

IMO D-scan should be automatic (I.e. automatically does a 360 degree scan every 2 seconds) and if you're not paying attention to the results, you pay the price. Obviously manual D-scan would still have a place in pinpointing.

Local should be delayed, avoidable completely (using modules) and players should have the ability to tamper with the system to temporarily disrupt it.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Kate stark
#38 - 2013-12-15 11:40:08 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
And how do you avoid showing up in local?

live in a wormhole.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-12-15 11:44:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I already do. I was trying to be serious but i already know the answer... you can't prevent yourself from showing up on the instant intel channel that is "local", which is why it needs some refinements.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
The Zetin Sunn
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-12-15 12:00:12 UTC
One sniff of a rumour of a change and everyone starts crying. This all makes me s'sad.