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Celthon Drakken
#1 - 2013-12-14 23:23:55 UTC
I scanned my first WH, in 0.8 space a little bit ago. I've never seen one before, and have been warned repeatedly about how quickly I can die inside...BUT I want to look inside, even if just for a moment or two and then run like hell, LOL.

My question: will the entrance of the WH be the same on the other side -- will I be able to go through the WH (enter) and then if it's an "Oh, Sh*t...!" moment can I turn right around and go back out the way I came in, or will I have to search around for an exit?

This particular WH says it leads to unknown space and:

This wormhole is beginning to decay, and probably won't last another day.
This wormhole has not yet had its stability significantly disrupted by ships passing through it.

The Label on the WH is K162, if that means anything

I'm in an Imicus, -- will I need to worry about it collapsing right behind me?
Serenity Miner
Faster than Light Inc
#2 - 2013-12-15 00:41:57 UTC
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Wormholes



Extra Information

K162 is the identification for a Generic Exit: the endpoint for a wormhole that originated from somewhere else. It has all the characteristics of the wormhole that started on the other end

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Octavian Julius
PREY INC.
#3 - 2013-12-15 01:07:21 UTC
Yeah as long as you have a cloak and probes and are just poking around you should be ok barring warping to a site and sitting decloaked.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-15 01:16:37 UTC
Celthon Drakken wrote:
I scanned my first WH, in 0.8 space a little bit ago. I've never seen one before, and have been warned repeatedly about how quickly I can die inside...BUT I want to look inside, even if just for a moment or two and then run like hell, LOL.

My question: will the entrance of the WH be the same on the other side -- will I be able to go through the WH (enter) and then if it's an "Oh, Sh*t...!" moment can I turn right around and go back out the way I came in, or will I have to search around for an exit?

This particular WH says it leads to unknown space and:

This wormhole is beginning to decay, and probably won't last another day.
This wormhole has not yet had its stability significantly disrupted by ships passing through it.

The Label on the WH is K162, if that means anything

I'm in an Imicus, -- will I need to worry about it collapsing right behind me?


Yes. Wormhole space is dangerous. So are connection wormholes that lead into low or null-sec.

But it is not always instant death.


As for returning. A wormhole is visible from both sides. So if you jump through, bookmark the other side first. You can go back through it and end up where you started.

There is a very very very small chance you are the last thing that jumps through a wormhole and it collapses behind you, if this happens, you will have to probe for a new one (if you are in wormhole space - wormhole space systems are designated as Jxxxxxx).

A wormhole comes with 2 parameters regarding when it collapses.

Time and mass limit

When the time limit passes out, it collapses. The same counts with mass limited. Each ship has a certain mass, this mass is deducted from the wormholes mass limit and when it reaches 0, it collapses.


K162 is a generic exit. This means the wormholes is found and used for the first time from the other end.

Imicus...not very likely, it's a frigate and thus has a very low mass. But keep in mind, there is always the chance it will collapse behind you, so bring a probe launcher with probes (or be prepared to self destruct your ship and pod).

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Seraph Essael
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The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-12-15 01:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
*begin subliminal messaging* Go in... GO IN... GO IN... *End subliminal messaging*

Seriously though. Only go in if you are ready.

Some pointers on wormholes though:

- Always bookmark the otherside of the wormhole. (Right click on the wormhole > save location. Save it as something like 'Exit' or something)).

- Always have Dscan open and spam the crap out of it for probes and ships.

- Always carry probes.

- Make multiple safe spots. (Warp to 70 (never warp to 100 or 0) or so on planets, never warp to the moons, they usually have POS's on them and save your location half way through the warp).

There are plenty more pointers that can and will be of use to you too. Put you can always check here.

Also when you're inside, copy and paste the wh name (top left of the screen, should start with a J) into here. It will tell you what you need to know, class and type of wh, plus other things.

Hope this helps for a brief intro.

Edit: Damnit J'Poll, you're always one step ahead...

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#6 - 2013-12-15 12:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Celthon Drakken wrote:
My question: will the entrance of the WH be the same on the other side -- will I be able to go through the WH (enter) and then if it's an "Oh, Sh*t...!" moment can I turn right around and go back out the way I came in, or will I have to search around for an exit?

I'm in an Imicus, -- will I need to worry about it collapsing right behind me?

It's unlikely you will collapse it but possible, yes. Cloak and probes are basic wh equipment and will help you to find your way out safely.

As far as "Oh, ****...!" moments go when traveling through a wh:

If you're unlucky, you jump right into the middle of a wh op going on. In that case the wh will be bubbled and guarded on the other side, so you cannot warp away. They won't ask any questions, just blow you up and pod you as fast as possible. For all they know, you're an enemy scout gathering intel.

If you want to know wtf happened to you, check your lossmail and contact them. Be polite and ask your questions. Usually they will be answered, if they come to the conclusion that you are indeed a rookie.

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#7 - 2013-12-15 14:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitrah
Celthon Drakken wrote:
I scanned my first WH, in 0.8 space a little bit ago. I've never seen one before, and have been warned repeatedly about how quickly I can die inside...BUT I want to look inside, even if just for a moment or two and then run like hell, LOL.

My question: will the entrance of the WH be the same on the other side -- will I be able to go through the WH (enter) and then if it's an "Oh, Sh*t...!" moment can I turn right around and go back out the way I came in, or will I have to search around for an exit?

This particular WH says it leads to unknown space and:

This wormhole is beginning to decay, and probably won't last another day.
This wormhole has not yet had its stability significantly disrupted by ships passing through it.

The Label on the WH is K162, if that means anything

I'm in an Imicus, -- will I need to worry about it collapsing right behind me?


Unknown space means a C1, 2, or 3 wormhole, all of which have a known space exit.

Beginning to decay means more than 4 hours, less than 24 hours remaining.
Not yet had its stability means more than 40% (exact value is subject to debate) remaining.

K162 is an exit. That means that the wormhole was opened from the other side.

This wormhole will not collapse on you unless players actively close it on you by round tripping large ships through.

Bookmark both sides, and head on in. Just be sure you have your overview set up properly (pos, force fields, combat and scan probes, all ships, wrecks, bubbles). Be sure to spam d-scan like crazy.

Most wormholes are empty most of the time, but if you dally, there is a decent chance you will be stumbled on by someone, and almost everyone in WH space is out for PvP. I can't speak for everyone, of course, but if I notice that if my target seems new (obvious learning corp, low time in game, acting inexperienced, low skill ship, etc.) , I will often let you go, so long as you're polite.
Nikolai Vodkov
Pro Synergy
#8 - 2013-12-16 04:11:31 UTC
If you don't have expensive implants in your head, follow these steps:

1) Ensure your clone is up to date.
2) Ensure your ship is very cheap and insured. Worst case, go in a shuttle.
3) Go through the wormhole.

Whats the worst that can happen? You lose the cost of insuring a cheap frigate and your pod. Ships are meant to be lost. Have fun.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2013-12-16 05:21:43 UTC
Can you afford to lose an insured battlecruiser?

If so, fit probes, swap to an empty jump clone, go into the wormhole, and see what happens.

I lost a Myrmidron that way when I was fairly new (but able to bear the loss easily) and recommend the experience to others. I was killed by a roaming gang of three players while running an anomoly in the C1.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2013-12-16 17:32:55 UTC
Celthon Drakken wrote:
I'm in an Imicus, -- will I need to worry about it collapsing right behind me?


Only when the wormhole is 'reaching the end of it's natural lifetime' or when 'sufficient ships have passed through to critically reduce it's mass' could a wormhole collapse on something as small as a frigate. With some experience, it will be possible for you to deduct that there is a 0% chance the wormhole will collapse behind you, and make you decide to jump through.

Then suddenly a Battleship jumps in behind you, collapses the hole and kills you! Twisted
Celthon Drakken
#11 - 2013-12-19 16:58:51 UTC
Thank you everyone for the replies and information!

Sorry for delay in responding -- RL allows me only intermittent game play, part of why after 4+ months I still don't have a good grasp of the game -- but anyway: in regards to the WH I scanned that day, I did not go through because after reading through Wiki, then forum posts, and other sites regarding WH's for a few hours the WH had decayed even further (indicated it was reaching the end of its natural lifetime) and I didn't want to chance it closing behind me. I am currently working toward being able to use cloaking/covert ops stuff, and have days to go before those skills are high enough.

But thank you again for all the information and links to sites/information...always find helpful people and information in these forums.
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-12-21 13:53:16 UTC
If you have probes and probe launcher on your ship and the wormhole collapses, within a few minutes a new signature will spawn that you can scan down for the exit. This also depends on what type of wormhole you go through. Wandering ones will not respawn but if it was a static connection to highsec then another will respawn leading to a new highsec system. Also the first 3 letters of the signature will probably be a different scheme/pattern than the rest. That will help you find it quicker if there are a lot of signatures.