Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm afraid to say, but you cannot expect this from a beginner / rookie.
It's nice that you (experienced player) knows that you don't have to use the trading window for trading high level items (because of it's broken mechanic).

But that's no apology for missing mechanics which will protect players from games of skill.
That's definitively NO Feature and NOT intentionally.

Back to the roots: It CAN and WILL be abused by thirdparty mechanics like scripts / macros.
And this is forbidden, according to CCP's own statements.

Additionally lags have an effect on it.

Really, come off it!
There is no excuse for this issue anymore.

Maybe not scam protection, but once one party selects a value in the trade window, it should be locked, or forced to be re sent... IE


the trade window needs some UI improvements, something like, you select what your selling and the price, and its sent to the other pilot, they either accept or decline, if they make changes to it, it is more like a contract being sent back to you, with the new offer, you either accept or decline, or make a change again,

none of this, you make a change mid way thru the person reading over the trade window.

it would not be that hard to put into game, and would remove a lot of trade scams, and it would help some new pilots ween into the life of EVE, and that is good for the long life span of EVE....

Let the buyer beware, scamming is a part of the eve learning curve, learn from your loss, don't seek to change the game because of it.

There are no double standards, personally I care less about ISk bought with cash than isk generated through in game activities. People get scammed, you don't have to fly around for long in eve to learn that. It's part of the Eve experience and believe it or not is actually attractive to some players. They like the idea that they can get scammed it makes the eve universe more alive and appealing for them, not to mention the kick that scammers get out of scamming someone.

It's human interaction at it's worst in one of the most brutal and sadistic dystopian futures ever imagined. WTF ever happened to personal responsibility? You choose to push the button, so live with the consequences, having a warning popup before you push the button wouldn't be effective in any case as most victims of scams think that they are going to win big, in effect that they are going to advantage themselves over the scammer and would push the button anyway in order to get their free isk or that nice ship or that great, too good to be true deal. If you want to trade with someone with 100% certainty that you are getting what you pay for you can always set up a private contract and check it out thoroughly before you agree to complete it.

No, that's definitively not any part of "EVE experience". You have to read the other posts in this thread.
Manipulating with scripts / macros and a mechanic which is affected by lags cannot be an experience in either way.

If you have accepted a broken mechanic, it is not all right in any way.
It brings that issue more in line with the stockholm syndrome ("yes..please...scam me! i want that! please use third party mechanics which will fool me! please do it, l like this kind of experience!").

You must be kidding!

OP has a valid point. There are certain game mechanics that known scammers exploit, and these are not necessarily obvious or apparent to new players.

Don't hold your breath on waiting for that reply.

Even if there is wide agreement on this, and even if they make changes and throw it into the next update they may not say anything until after the update and probably not in this thread. And even if they change it, chances are you'll still be out the isk.

I know its annoying, but life in New Eden is harsh.

Perhaps. But i have not to accept this issue, and i will not accept this issue.
All i've got were flimsy excuses.

Maybe the definition is "ingame items" or "ingame currency". But i've lost real money (with buying that PLEX) as a result of this manipulated scam.

I will repeat it again (ninth time? i forgot it):
i have checked the values in the trading window many times before accepting the deal.
At the moment, i accepted the deal, the value was changed. Not before..not after....WHILE accepting it..

And i'm not alone with this issue. That's a major problem which will abused by several scams.
You can manipulate it with scripts and macros (which are both forbidden by CCP).

And that is the issue we are meaning for. And that's the issue because i want my PLEX back, too.
And as a rookie, i want to protect other rookies to got fooled by this issue.

I don't know why so many of you accept bugs and weak points as standard.
Sorry if i will do not. But thats my opinion about a GAME. :-)

We can all make that argument concerning any loss. With the buying and selling of PLEX it provides an exchange rate between isk and RL money. But if you don't maintain the distinction between in game items like PLEX and RL currency you risk opening a very, very nasty can of worms.

1. Losses could be seen as actual property damages that could involve law enforcement, lawyers, courts, and such ****.
2. Eve and most other games would come under scrutiny of various banking laws and regulations, but domestic and international.
3. If CCP ever shuts down the game they'd have all of us sitting there as creditors.

So stop it with the RL money thing. It is an irrelevancy.

You have much better traction with the bad mechanic argument.

Let go the lost PLEX....if you stay in game you are almost surely going to lose way, way more than that.

Edit: When one of my alts lost a JF that was like a 6 billion loss at the time. That translates into like $150 (not sure haven't bought a PLEX in ages). Here in CA where I live, that could be seen as criminal property damage (if it weren't an in game item that has no value) where the person(s) engaged in that behavior could face up to a year in jail and $1,000 in fines. (Note IANAL, so this is largely speculation.)

This game is much, much better when in games items have no value and you don't own them. It completely eliminates things like somebody getting dumb and going and saying they suffered criminal property damage for an in game loss.

You've made a good point regarding the trading option. You've gotten some long time forum commenters on your side too.

Stop pushing the stupid button though regarding RL money. Keep on target: bad mechanic.

And take your loss in stride.

all we are asking for is a simple confirmation window when both party click accept trade the trade should LOCK UP and then ask you to verify if the everything is in order to complete the trade just like what we have for the contracts nothing more