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Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#1 - 2013-12-03 04:52:50 UTC
So has anyone seen if the bastion module allows warp out during a Disconnect? Or at least deactivates and then warps (this would be best actually)

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Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2013-12-03 05:33:57 UTC
I haven't been able to test it after it went to TQ, but on the test server you did NOT warp out when I was able to test it. Going to be another 8-9 days before I can actually test this.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-12-03 08:28:29 UTC
you sit still in space until the module has finished its cycle and then ewarp
Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#4 - 2013-12-03 13:11:32 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
you sit still in space until the module has finished its cycle and then ewarp

This.

It is a 1 minute cycle. You just have to make sure you are as cap stable as possible and repping your armor up. I DC'd with it on and green. On login I was in my ewarp spot warping back into the mission.

The entire time I was fearing for my life I was getting probed then was going to get bumped before I got to do anything.
Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
Get Off My Lawn
#5 - 2013-12-03 13:51:24 UTC
strange, cos everytime ive logged back in, my bastion was off, & still in the mission, with no tacklers. again, fearing for my ship....... X
Lamboux
Quagaars
#6 - 2013-12-03 14:06:32 UTC
Lost a Kronos (that was in Bastion) when my connection dropped - GM noted all's fair in love and EULA.

In fairness, I think it's good the bastion adds a little risk for its huge power; there's also a lesson about having a hold full of shiny stuff to switch around with a mobile depot... Roll

L
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#7 - 2013-12-03 15:16:58 UTC
Lamboux wrote:
Lost a Kronos (that was in Bastion) when my connection dropped - GM noted all's fair in love and EULA.

In fairness, I think it's good the bastion adds a little risk for its huge power; there's also a lesson about having a hold full of shiny stuff to switch around with a mobile depot... Roll

L


Eve is subject to a DC sometimes even if the internet connection is good. We need a DEV to comment on what happens with the bastion after a DC, because so far there are a lot of contradictory answers. This problem has been talked about in different threads for well over a month but they have not commented.

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Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
Get Off My Lawn
#8 - 2013-12-03 18:46:18 UTC
cos there probably embarrassed. I have noticed, on every successful relog, my drones have returned to my bay. Which is still working....
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#9 - 2013-12-03 21:17:53 UTC

When the server realizes you DC'd:

a.) It attempts an emergency warp. This may be hindered by any form of warp scrambling. This my be hindered by being in Siege, Triage, and Bastion. If the ewarp is hindered, you don't get a second ewarp. You stay put until you despawn.

b.) You despawn after all your timers expire (this includes the 1 minute normal log off timer, the 5 minute PvE timer, and the 15 minute PvP timer if you have them).

Upon relogging:
--- If your ewarp was hindered, and you haven't despawned yet, you should be in the same place.
--- If your ewarp was not hindered, or if you successfully despawned, you will spawn 1m km's from where you logged off and immediately ewarp back to your loggoff position.

Thing's I'm not 100% certain about: I don't know when your modules will be officially turned off. Most modules are supposed to turn off the moment your ship attempts to ewarp, but I've relogged and still had modules running despite being in ewarp.

Kouri Eien
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-12 13:00:33 UTC
Anyway, I think we'd like to hear CCP position about such thing as ewarp during Bastion mode.

Bastion was designed to improve tanking ability to the most comfortable PVE BS class ship. But now we received a module which creates a wreck of your ship with high percentage rate during any DC.

I think it's not OK just to say (as many already did) like: "Dont use it if you have bad internet". Sure, if you undock with high ping it's your fault, but sometimes you can not predict your connection to be adequate or not and there is another problem as random socket closed error.

If you want to compare Bastion with Triage/Siege etc modules and say that ships in such modes do not ewarp exactly the same as Bastion moded ones, then I want to remind you that they have an ability(!) to prevent the next mode activation in autorepeat mode by putting it's fuel in pacs which would not allow to do that.

As I think, the most preferable solution in this case is DC => Bastion ends it cycle (automatically cancelling autorepeat) => ewarp.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Zarctus Mord
Leo and Mus Corparation
#11 - 2013-12-14 10:50:22 UTC
Just lost my kronos during electricity shut down for a min...clap!Cry
Lamboux
Quagaars
#12 - 2013-12-14 14:14:18 UTC
I tend to perma-run a medium repper now - not sure if it would really help these DC issues but makes me feel safe enough to carry on flying.

That plus one invul/eanm and another large armour / x large SB to pulse seems plenty for pretty much any L4 scenario.

L
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#13 - 2013-12-14 14:31:20 UTC
Golem is pretty much invincible with two t2 invuls and a t2 large booster. You should have no trouble repping against any mission like that at all though I would suggest forking out for the domi large if you're concerned about "efficiency". Only invest in things like pith boosters if you intend to take some serious heat.
Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#14 - 2013-12-15 15:07:07 UTC
Zarctus Mord wrote:
Just lost my kronos during electricity shut down for a min...clap!Cry


pretty much shows that something is wrong, still no word form CCP.

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Rainbow Dash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-12-15 15:34:54 UTC
Last I checked, your modules continue cycling until you run out of cap if you DC.

Then again, that was several months ago.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2013-12-16 02:29:12 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Golem is pretty much invincible with two t2 invuls and a t2 large booster. You should have no trouble repping against any mission like that at all though I would suggest forking out for the domi large if you're concerned about "efficiency". Only invest in things like pith boosters if you intend to take some serious heat.


a large booster will kill your cap though, a pithum booster is probably best (and the c-type is only ~100m). I've been using one on my golem for years.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-12-17 17:40:23 UTC
It is possible that bastion behaviour will be changed in the new patch to continious cycling. No details, and to be fair, not a hard data either.

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Sentenced 1989
#18 - 2013-12-18 09:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentenced 1989
Ship will try entering ewarp ONCE.
If you are scrambled, you won't get in warp.
If you have bastion running, you won't get in warp.
If you have siege running, you won't get in warp.
If you have triage running, you won't get in warp.

Highslot modules turn off on DC.
Bastion goes off after it finishes cycle.
Siege goes off after it finishes cycle.
Triage goes off after it finishes cycle.
Guns go off after they finish cycle.
(Covert) Cloaking device goes off right away.

Midslot modules remain running.
Until you are dead, despawn in space or run out of cap.

Lowslots will keep running.
Until you are dead, despawn in space or run out of cap.

What happends when you DC with Marauder?

You ship tries warping away.
If you don't have bastion, and are not scrammed, you warp out.
If you are scrammed or have bastion running you don't warp out.
Your tank gets lowered when you exit bastion. You sit there since you can't despawn while getting shot by NPC's. If you live long enough to relog you turn on bastion and kill the bastards.
If you die, you warp to closest trade hub and buy new ship.

EDIT:
I don't believe they will add multiple tries to do ewarp, since that would add server CPU ticks, like I don't know check every few seconds and try warp...
But would be nice if bastion would keep running.

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Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#19 - 2013-12-18 11:22:37 UTC
Makes me very worried now about using bastion mode in my Kronos. I would not be a happy camper if that got blown up due to a DC. Not happy at all.

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Yalawni
Demonstrably False
#20 - 2013-12-24 14:48:36 UTC
Well, I can confirm from my experiences last night that if you have just started a mission with heavy damage output in Bastion Mode and you disconnect then you are pretty much screwed.

Lost my Golem :-(

Not going to whine about it. I have petitioned but from what I am reading here and elsewhere looks like CCP will not re-imburse me.

So, armed with this experience I say to hell with bastion mode, it's back to dual boxing Tengu for me! :-) I was dual boxing Golem / Tengu last night and the Tengu ewarped and survived just fine. Bastion mode Maurauder would appear to be just not worth the risk. Shame because i loved the ship and the bastion mode, but I just can't afford that happening again

o/
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