Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so because of weapon platform u want to nerf hull. great logic.

For those of us that don't live in holes, he may unbreakable solo.....but help is just a cyno away....so people that like to try **** like that just get zerged under.

The initial post that prompted this response was exclusively about comparing existing T3s in a 1:1. I am sure we are all very well aware that eve combat is rarely, if ever, like that. But to draw a comparison it's useful to start somewhere.

One the other end of the spectrum, in massive fleets it almost doesn't matter what you bring. The quality of the FC, responsiveness of the troops and lock time are more important than individual ship characteristics (provided your target is not beyond your maximum range of course).

Any discussion we have on ship capabilities will therefore only have meaning when we're discussing a skirmish (e.g. say 20 or less on each side). Up to about 3 per side (in the case of the Tengu 5-a-side*), self-tanking capabilities can matter a great deal. Beyond that it's usually less relevant.

So, just to re-iterate.
Of the T3s, the tengu is the most useful fleet ship, the most useful very small skirmish ship, the most useful pve ship and easily as good as the others in a larger skirmish or fleet encounter.

I believe this is the reason that the tengu vastly outsells all other T3s (which is a verifiable fact).

I would not be surprised to find that Tengu sales outstrip all other T3 sales added together. But this is opinion, not yet a verified fact.

Can someone help with that?


* I mention 5-a-side for the tengu because it's my experience that my dual ash scout tengu is easily capable of tanking a 5-man fleet that includes an astarte, brutix, drake, thorax and a sabre - for long enough to figure out a way to escape. Granted I had to overheat the DG invulnerability field while the opposing team overheated their guns.

I could not agree with you more. Even though, as I often mention, I abuse the dual ASB abomination every day and will continue to do so until CCP fix it.

Those fits are rare and you sacrifice ALL your dps to get a tank like that.

If they nerf the power grid on the Loki, my artillery fit would be impossible

I agree with that.

And what fun looking fit would that be?

The legion is a great ship and probably the most versatile T3 for pvp.

Much easier way to fix those tanks is.. REMOVE ALL RIG SLOTS!!!

Yes and no. The Supplemental Screening and Augmented Plating subsystems already replicate Defense Field Extenders and Trimark Armor Pumps, and the same can be said for subsystems like Adaptive Shielding, Gravitational Capacitor, Capacitor Regeneration, etc. Many of the offensive subsystems need to be buffed anyway (Covert Reconfiguration, Rifling Launcher Platform, etc.), so eliminating rigs ensures that these don't become OP.

Since we now have the ability to remotely refit subsystems, rigs are somewhat redundant anyway. Here's what I'd like to see instead: Eliminate the three rig slots and replace them with three blank module slots that can be used to store swappable subsystems and modules without the need for a mobile depot. These would appear on the hud as icons with a 60-second cool-down for each when activated to prevent abuse.

Example: You place a Covert Reconfiguration and Interdiction Nullifier subsystem in two of the slots, leaving the third blank. Thus, you can reconfigure to a Covert fit simply by clicking on the two icons (the extra low-slot module gets dumped into the third slot). The three modules in the slots now begin a 60-second visual cool down. To refit back, simply wait the 60-seconds and click again on the three icons. Voila. Another scenario could be an Augmented Capacitor Reservoir and Heavy Missile Launcher (again, with the third slot left empty). Clicking on the two icons removes the Capacitor Regeneration subsystem along with a low-slot module, replacing it with the missile launcher. All of this would be subject to grid, CPU, etc. limits.

A mechanic like this would be more desirable than rig slots, because you avoid having to lug around and deploy a mobile depot, the subsystems don't take up additional space in your cargo hold and it seamlessly integrates everything.

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