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youtube partner monetization of EVE Online videos

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Clahim
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-16 23:26:30 UTC
One of the problem could be music.

If you check Eve related video on Youtube some with the most views are Eve music with a random space image.
Monetization in that case is a little bit problematic considering Music is not the Youtuber property and the image isn't as well.

That said this case should be quite simple but what about people doing videos or commentary with Eve music in the background then?

These legal rules takes time and thinking I guess...

Stupid Solo PvPer
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#22 - 2013-09-16 23:54:27 UTC
Clahim wrote:
One of the problem could be music.

If you check Eve related video on Youtube some with the most views are Eve music with a random space image.
Monetization in that case is a little bit problematic considering Music is not the Youtuber property and the image isn't as well.

That said this case should be quite simple but what about people doing videos or commentary with Eve music in the background then?

These legal rules takes time and thinking I guess...




Depending if there is any royalty on the music will dep on the answer. Basically if there is any royalty then most likely they aren't doing something legal (giving they don't have permission). Giving you have some licensing like from http://www.audiomicro.com/ will depend on who you can use the music. http://www.audiomicro.com/buying-music#13
It's fair game giving there isn't a royalty on the pics, video, music, etc.

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Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#23 - 2013-09-27 14:51:26 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


I wonder what they will say, or if they will even say anything.

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#24 - 2013-09-27 16:23:01 UTC
I'm interested to see how this topic will play out now that CCP plans to integrate Twitch.TV into the client.
Opacis
Wormholes WH
#25 - 2013-09-30 13:28:17 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile



And a week or 2 past - any official word on this?
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#26 - 2013-09-30 15:23:54 UTC
no but we all know the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly Big smile

I'm keeping an eye on it and if it takes too long i'll try to poke CCP Stillman about it.
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#27 - 2013-10-06 11:22:22 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


We're almost a month later, any updates on this?
imbaRabbit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-10-06 12:49:57 UTC
@Meizu Kho

Sorry if you got your hopes up with this post, but I just want to say that whatever happens, please let us all (even future members) inform about the topic outcome.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-10-30 19:16:44 UTC
Youtube has started asking me about rights after I made a whole dollar. Hopefully we can get an answer.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Opacis
Wormholes WH
#30 - 2013-12-03 02:47:45 UTC

I guess no response means no

Shocked
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#31 - 2013-12-03 10:37:26 UTC
Opacis wrote:

I guess no response means no

Shocked



thats where your wrong :) nor responds is yes untill notified otherwise ;)
Tavarus Excavar
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#32 - 2013-12-12 17:47:04 UTC
with the **** hitting the fan the past 48 hours i'd like to bump this to the top
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#33 - 2013-12-12 18:19:20 UTC
Tavarus Excavar wrote:
with the **** hitting the fan the past 48 hours i'd like to bump this to the top



I think CCP is OK with us making videos on YouTube. Since they aren't really saying anything I would cut out any EVE Online music, and talk a little during the video.

Anyways, I have over 100 videos on EVE how to and what not. The only copyright notice I've ever gotten on an EVE video wasn't from CCP. It was from a AdRev company that was scamming YouTube's content ID for public and royalty free songs. You can click here to see which video I'm talking about.

BTW, if it wasn't for YouTube videos on EVE Online I wouldn't be playing EVE. Like I do my research before I pick up a copy of a game. Even more so if it's an MMO since MMO games can take years to get done with.
I know I'm not the only one here today because of some YouTube videos they seen before trying out EVE Online for the first time. So I have some serious doubts CCP will go against YouTube videos; unless if it shows off cheats, things that aren't out yet, and so on.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Tavarus Excavar
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#34 - 2013-12-12 19:03:52 UTC
oh i know they have no problem with us making videos. its the issue of making money off said videos
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#35 - 2013-12-12 20:16:01 UTC
Tavarus Excavar wrote:
oh i know they have no problem with us making videos. its the issue of making money off said videos


I think that highly depends on who you talk to in CCP. Unofficially, I talked to some about this and they about treat you as some demon or something for even thinking this. Then there are some that about gives you a high five for helping out CCP.

In all honesty, I think it comes down to the lawyers and the uppers. I hope this gets officially answered soon. But, I also hope they keep in mind some of this stuff we (the video makers) are doing isn't cheap. I mean some of us has to keep up $600 microphones, $400 recording software, a $2000 computer, $x amount for help, and so on (giving we are trying to make something that others will want to watch).


BTW, if CCP does officially say yes. They could do some marketing thing to help sell their games, and bring views to video makers videos. Like CCP could upload our EVE Online videos to it's YouTube account, or link them to a playlist. Also, CCP could make a monthly awards for the best EVE Online video.
In return, people will make better videos. More people will see the videos and join EVE Online. And so on

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Tavarus Excavar
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#36 - 2013-12-13 14:49:52 UTC
I seem to remember a devblog, which is not the best for legal standings on issues such as this, that said as video creators we own the copyright of the video we make. Its going to take me a while to find it though. CCP has been rather prolific in the past year
PopplerRo
#37 - 2013-12-13 15:18:27 UTC
Looks like it would essentially just be youtube paying people to promote Eve Online, win-win.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#38 - 2013-12-13 19:58:17 UTC
PopplerRo wrote:
Looks like it would essentially just be youtube paying people to promote Eve Online, win-win.


Not really. Youtube or some network partners pays us for letting them put ads on our videos. The more views, the more money.

1,000 views= $1 give or take a few cents and the time of year (This is before YouTube and/or networks take their share)

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-12-15 05:20:21 UTC
the thing is, that money is being paid regardless of who gets it. Either the video maker gets a piece, or google takes it all.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Tavarus Excavar
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#40 - 2013-12-17 03:03:00 UTC
not quite true. google only gets a cut if you tell them to monetize the video. if you do not select the video to be monetized google will not run ads on it