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Dev blog: Twitch integration is here!

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GeneticFreak Aden
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2013-12-11 11:33:16 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Is there gonna be a hotkey to start and stop the stream?

Also my stream runs for 10secs then stops. Corpmate is having same issues anyone else?



I have the same issue
is it memory? I have 4GB
Mr Beardsley
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-12-11 11:50:26 UTC
Steven Hackett wrote:
Rune Jairos wrote:

I think you're missing the point. CCP isn't a A/V streaming company - it's a gaming company. This is a partnership to enable more people to use streaming... not a tool with all the bells and whistles and the MOST features to be the BEST tool on the market. .

Pretty ****** partnership if the result is worse-than-average features, isn't it? - maybe twitch will make us a new Ogame and call it a twitch feature Shocked
Or maybe the twitch partnership will end like the 0wned one and we will have another broken "feature" in our client..

Nah.. 1/5 for the idea, 1/5 for the implementation and 1/5 for making half-assed features(is this becomming a CCP trend again?)


When did that ever stop being their #1 trend?
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
#123 - 2013-12-11 11:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxylan
CCP Maverick wrote:
Hi all and thanks for your continued feedback. Rest assured - we are reading.

For those of you having issues with streaming, please remember that streaming is quite an intensive process. Twitch Recommends:

  • CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz or AMD equivalent
  • MEMORY: 8GB DDR3 SDRAM
  • OS: Windows 7 Home Premium

  • So whilst your computer may meet the recommended spec for EVE Online, you may experience issues streaming to twitch.


    Strong hardware is very importand while straming but most importand are upload speed, people lose like 80% efficienty because of upload speed.

    Personaly my upload is 0.9mbit with this speed i cant even call my streaming slide show.

    Anyway thanks for info.

    If it bleed we can kill it.

    MonkeyMagic Thiesant
    24th Imperial Crusade
    Amarr Empire
    #124 - 2013-12-11 12:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyMagic Thiesant
    Oxylan wrote:

    Strong hardware is very importand while straming but most importand are upload speed, people lose like 80% efficienty because of upload speed.

    Personaly my upload is 0.9mbit with this speed i cant even call my streaming slide show.


    Yes, that seems to be the key thing. Even at 1024x768 10fps, it averages 0.8mbit upload, and that's sitting in station with nothing moving. This basically makes the feature unusable for anyone on a DSL connection.

    This should perhaps be possible to compress down a bit more I think? Obviously the cpu will be stressed more, but for most of us that's manageable.

    Also, an option to not broadcast sound might help, that'd save 160kbit or so (aside from being a desirable feature in its own right!)
    Bad Messenger
    Rehabilitation Clinic
    #125 - 2013-12-11 13:36:34 UTC
    GeneticFreak Aden wrote:
    Aquila Sagitta wrote:
    Is there gonna be a hotkey to start and stop the stream?

    Also my stream runs for 10secs then stops. Corpmate is having same issues anyone else?



    I have the same issue
    is it memory? I have 4GB



    it seems to be related on your intenet connection and screen size.
    Cygnet Lythanea
    World Welfare Works Association
    #126 - 2013-12-11 13:44:57 UTC
    O have to ask: My game now crashes when I warp to my POS and is screws up my graphics cards (plural) so bad I have to reset the PC.. It didn't do that before patch, and does not do that with any other game. Thus far it ONLY does it warping to a POS.
    seth Hendar
    I love you miners
    #127 - 2013-12-11 14:03:12 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    All the people who are worried about giving away their location seem to have forgotten how info panels work.

    You can already hide the system you're in.

    a competent streamer will not just hide the system, but part of the overview too, or part of the local / some chat window / watchlist etc...

    there are many may things one doesn't want to show while streaming, and having a system like OBS allow that.

    as long as integrated twitch doesn't do as well as 3rd party soft, nobody will even consider using it

    Bad Messenger wrote:



    it seems to be related on your intenet connection and screen size.


    mmm, i tested and eve uses more BW streaming a 1280 window than OBS streaming a 1920*1080.

    so compressions settings are far from being good.

    but as long as the resolution issue is ongoing, i won't start it anymore, won't spend my time moving my window layout around
    Marikitus
    Bitter Lemons
    #128 - 2013-12-11 16:05:11 UTC
    CCP Rise wrote:
    We are restricted in what resolutions we can offer based on the twitch SDK, but you can select from a wide range of options and then you can also choose the framerate all the way up to 60fps and then we automatically adjust the bitrate to handle your framerate selection.


    This eveTwitch have :

    NO FullHD support Who the hell stream on these sh_itty resolutions today, 4/5 years ago maybe but NOW ? besides your BOUND to play in that sh_itty stream resolution Sad

    NO Mask, You cant add some text or mask chatsSad

    NO Delay, ............What?

    NO Audio options, YES please tell to all eve what you FC command to the fleet... FFS Shocked

    problems with eve video settings..

    CCP Rice / Kil2 - CCP Fozzie / Raivi

    - DID you realy play EVE ?
    - If you are going to implement more GARBAGE like this in the game, please take a minute and think about, after you think, try to think again and if, after having thought bouth of you dont have any good idea, grap a stick and beat on the head each other lets see if that way have seen a good ideas.


    EvE Twicht partnership only 2 word F***ING RUBBISH
    Baby Dady
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #129 - 2013-12-11 17:42:45 UTC
    I tried it out yesterday

    Unfortunately I won’t be using it until 1920 x 1080 resolution is available, with the ability to make it a private stream.

    Really like this feature, can’t wait to use it. Hope this is just the first version and it will have some iteration.


    BD
    Rune Jairos
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #130 - 2013-12-11 19:12:42 UTC
    Steven Hackett wrote:
    Rune Jairos wrote:

    I think you're missing the point. CCP isn't a A/V streaming company - it's a gaming company. This is a partnership to enable more people to use streaming... not a tool with all the bells and whistles and the MOST features to be the BEST tool on the market. .

    Pretty ****** partnership if the result is worse-than-average features, isn't it? - maybe twitch will make us a new Ogame and call it a twitch feature Shocked
    Or maybe the twitch partnership will end like the 0wned one and we will have another broken "feature" in our client..

    Nah.. 1/5 for the idea, 1/5 for the implementation and 1/5 for making half-assed features(is this becomming a CCP trend again?)


    Guess you didn't even read the post. Maybe some folks out there appreciate getting into the simple twitch features because now it's easy and integrated. That IS a good thing, even if you don't care about it.

    You want EVE to offer great gameplay, keep giving you new content and features, and somehow also build an integrated streaming system into a rather old client with BETTER features than the best-in-class standalone streaming products... all for the same low price you've always paid, if you pay anything.

    Let me know when you join me in the real world and we can talk more :)
    Aurelius Valentius
    Valentius Corporation
    #131 - 2013-12-11 20:08:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
    Twitch has always been "twitchy" down this way - Florida and Orlando's WAN providers and all are less then ideal, and so I don't know if there is anything that can be done about that - to me it seem that Twitch serves really only areas where the connectivity is right off the CO and to something like a DS-3 or something like that, and not really setup to work with WiFi or home networking connections... it's always been choppy, and hard to keep the stream going at times... and if it's a heavy watched one it often comes to a hault completely down this way - Orlando just sucks up BW due to the huge amount of users and the crappy providers here... Bright (Blight) House I am looking at you... anyway, good try CCP, I did give it a run, but probably not going to work for me or people down this way, the EVE group here is all having the same issues...but, anyway...

    Feature I would like to see added here - just my two ISK - is NOT have to have my client resized just to stream, my native LCD is 1900x1600 wide, and runs at a decent 32-60ish (depending on what is going on in EVE) FPS with everything but Post Processing and AA (which I loath anyway in every video game and never use) on high settings and it's smooth as glass.

    When I put on a stream at even 10 FPS at native I get about 10 seconds (maybe the same issue) and then the whole things stops responding... not good.

    Could we get a "Streaming Window" as a way to set my stream to much smaller while NOT having it resize my client would be ideal and then that could be minimized, or opened and within it twitch settings and all that done? or is it just impossible to not use your entire LCD in the process and be forced to resize it - in which case this is a pretty pointless feature for anyone not on a major rig and wired in to the local CO directly. Where I am it's DSL or WiFi G3/4 and heavy local use, and my rig is decent for gaming but it's not a 4-5K USD rig, and it's not going to be any time soon.
    Aurelius Valentius
    Valentius Corporation
    #132 - 2013-12-11 20:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
    CCP Maverick wrote:
    Hi all and thanks for your continued feedback. Rest assured - we are reading.

    For those of you having issues with streaming, please remember that streaming is quite an intensive process. Twitch Recommends:

  • CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz or AMD equivalent
  • MEMORY: 8GB DDR3 SDRAM
  • OS: Windows 7 Home Premium

  • So whilst your computer may meet the recommended spec for EVE Online, you may experience issues streaming to twitch.


    Ah, could you have maybe put that in the Dev Blog saying such for the vast majority of players that don't have the first two (have ultimate-64 - yea)... because had I known this prior I would have disregarded this feature completely and not even bothered... I am on a lesser rig; and due to economic depression in the US here I am not going to be updating my rig for the foreseeable future, unless they start to give them away, or the riots start and all that - maybe then I can pick one up literally after the burning and looting has passed... Roll
    Barakkus
    #133 - 2013-12-12 02:00:39 UTC
    I pwnt the **** out of a fleet that was traveling through systems advertising a link to their twitch.tv broadcast of their roam in local in every system they passed through. We started watching and planned a route to meet them coming from the opposite direction. Jumped them at a gate, locked down their **** fit nighthawk while the rest of them spread out and regrouped in system. Watched them regroup and warped in on them at 0 and wiped the rest of their horribly fit fleet. It was pure awesome...I fully support this integration...

    http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc

    Octoven
    Noir Holdings
    #134 - 2013-12-12 03:44:07 UTC
    Rune Jairos wrote:
    Tam Althor wrote:
    This seems like a real waste of development resources. Putting time into making something that is substandard to any of the 3rd party programs that people already use. Really what is the % of the player base that's even going to bother with this non space game toy?


    I think you're missing the point. CCP isn't a A/V streaming company - it's a gaming company. This is a partnership to enable more people to use streaming... not a tool with all the bells and whistles and the MOST features to be the BEST tool on the market.

    Take a breath, get some perspective, and enjoy that CCP is investing in long-term enhancements to their game by giving it community-focused tools that other games DON'T have.


    I think in the light of this you are missing the point as well, if CCP isn't an A/V streaming company then don't try to develop tools that do that. Twitch integration is going along with CCPs new way of developing (release small pieces at a time of a feature over the course of 2 years rather than properly developing it, testing it, and implementing the feature in full.

    There is a reason other games DON'T have tools like this, that is because they understand that they need to deliver quality content to their users, if said tool can not provide a working feature with loads of options than it becomes lost time developing.

    To be honest I would rather had seen work being done on customized music rather than this. However, it boils down to one simple fact. A jukebox feature doesn't sell EVE Online, twitch does. The more streaming, the more the game gets out there and thus CCP gets basically free advertising of the game via its playerbase. You think they want to turn down that opportunity? Hell, they developed twitch integration primarily for the free marketing.
    Lord Battlestar
    CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
    Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
    #135 - 2013-12-12 06:24:38 UTC
    I personally am completely unimpressed with it. It won't stream past 10 seconds on my computer, weird resolutions, and little settings or options.

    I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

    AWACS Sgt
    A.W.A.C.S
    A.W.A.C.S and Friends
    #136 - 2013-12-12 08:41:34 UTC
    so i tried this new twitch, and found some faults ..

    note, this is on a 2.nd gen i7 2600k cpu, 16 gb ram, radeon hd 6990 2gb on a fibernet 57/57

    resolution supports .. does not support my 2560 x 1440 res .. love to 27" monitors btw ..

    when broadcasting, this machine's cpu goes from normal below 10% running eve in max all to near 80% cpu usage ..

    if i want to see what i'm broadcasting on the same pc, eve exefile dies almost immeditely or very soon after opening a webpage in either firefox, chrome or iexplorer .. cause ingame browser dont support twitch streams of course ..

    when looking at the stream , the laggyness is horrendous and one do get issues with ts and such being sent along with the twitch stream.


    the idea is good, but with all the issues that tags along with it, it would seem to me like it was hastily implemented and should have been figured out much more before released ..

    for now, if i wanna do twitch of eve (or other stuff) i'll keep using my xsplit ..

    here's hoping it'll get fixed .. \o7
    T36wQPm23
    Wandering Shadows
    #137 - 2013-12-12 11:00:06 UTC
    Easy to use feature but needs some work:

    *) somehow password isn't saved. Would be nice to have at least the option;
    *) alt+tab didn't work. Feed stops;
    *) screen res is changed to match feed. pretty anoying

    Didn't notice any game lag. Probably wont use it untill alt+tab is working.
    Brutal Wyrm
    Wealth Assessment and Redistribution Specialists
    #138 - 2013-12-12 12:08:34 UTC
    Cant choose a proper resolution, and choosing what is available changes my current resolution. that's really my only issue with this. any word on when we can choose a resolution we are actually using?
    Megarom
    Fistful of Finns
    #139 - 2013-12-12 15:42:14 UTC
    Meleric wrote:
    Funny thing here: Login complains, that my password is not correct ... changed it a few time and it's still the same thing. Is streaming with Windows XP maybe not possible?


    Same issue, also with XP
    Rammix
    TheMurk
    #140 - 2013-12-14 15:21:44 UTC
    Messoroz wrote:
    Rammix wrote:
    Shinah Myst wrote:
    As with EVE Voice yet again CCP releases underdeveloped feature that is borderline useless compared to the third party tools. What's the point?

    This.
    There are other similar things ccp did improperly: eve voice, ingame browser, jukebox (now deleted, heh). They should either delete eve voice and the browser, or improve them at last. Otherwise new similar features like streaming are pointless.

    p.s.
    Open The Door.

    Where is the high resolution texture pack?


    Ingame browser is ok, they need to upgrade it before EVE Online gets a CVE notification. Right now an attacker can compromise a user's computer via just jita spam of a website url because the browser engine is outdated severely.


    EVE Voice is useless because it's locked down to channels and fleet which is stupid because people can't invite more than 250 to fleet(and what if you disconnect?) and the management controls are completely poor compared to a real voice server setup in 5 seconds. There's no way people will invite users to a chat channel because there's no way to see the full user list in real time. Meta gaming is serious business in EVE Voice and CCP didn't do jack **** to handle that "concern".


    The Twitch feature however is cool and possibly a great direction to go in but holy fudge is it unfinished and missing all the options that matter (resolution, delay, hot keys). Point proven is there are right now 0 streams for EVE Online on twitch as of this post.

    Problems with IGB and eve voice can be solved.
    IGB can be improved with flash support, changeable transparency etc.
    [In a perfect world] eve voice could be extended to out-of-client version which would work like in evegate but as a normal program. They could even partner with Teamspeak developers and add full teamspeak support to the eve voice OOC. That would be cool (even awesome).
    In-client streaming feature as they did it - is crap. Also, there are tons of things that need dev attention much more than some pointless tool with near zero functuonality.

    OpenSUSE Leap 42.1, wine >1.9

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