Market Discussions

Yes, if you don't mind an activity even more repetitive and less complex than security missions.

i agree :) and my large bed of isk agrees :)

yes and know. its basicly artificialy changeing the prices of things be it running the price down with ur order taking chuncks off the sell price. when people follow you down in price keep going until ur hapy then buy up all the sell orders and then relist :) same with buh orders pricethm up people folow you until ur happy then dump ur stock on the market :)

thereis a lot more to it but tryed to break it do to doh level :). its realy a learn as you go thing trading you going to loose some money to start with and gain some. I sugest you start with x amount say 500m or a 1bil if ya got it spare tho ya realy dont need that much. i started with 100m isk now got around 20b liquid over the space of a year or so and i dont trade 24/7 jsut when i can and i try to stay away from 0.01 isking becasue that drives me mad. buy it low sell it at a mark up iam happy with and just leave it to sell adusting if needed.

If you have under 1b in capital, spam scamming is the most lucrative profession.

If you have 1b-50b, station and/or region trading is one of the two best professions, and the other one is 'deep trust' scamming (corp infiltration and theft, Ponzi schemes, etc).

Beyond ~50b, trading superrare items is probably the most lucrative (t2 BPOs, supercarriers, AT ships, titan pilots, etc), although deep trust scamming works too.

Have you any numbers to back that up?

While these can pay out big, they generally take quite a lot of time and effort to pull off with any reliability. As a result the isk/hour isn't actually that great.

There are plenty of figures... Go check eve-mogul's leaderboard, check eve-profit. Check the various loan threads and you will see reports of profit.

Yes it is a viable profession, at the moment.

faction items are great but can be really slow turn around. when your starting out you want fast turn around items looking at 5-10% mark that sell 100+ a day or larger. you can make more selling more expensive things.

say i make 1mil profit on one item or i make 70m on another item it may be better to sell that item i make 1m profit at.

say that item sells 200 a day on average where as the 70m profit item may not sell for a week. your better off selling the lesser profit item but just more of them in the same time.

some people scoff at 1-3% mark up i look at it the other way all profit is profit be it 1% or 100% it all adds up if you have 10 items makeing you 10% or you have 300 items all makeing 1-3% i know what i would rather go with...

and the faction stuff you do when you have spare isk to sit there for the big pay offs :)

I know people that run regular deep trust scams (not super deep), primarily targetting wormhole corps, and will often put out a call 'need Archon/Moros pilots to steal ten capitals, will pay good ISK'. A week to select a target and implant a character, a second week the build trust, then boom, you steal 25b of stuff (although usually the capital pilots get paid 25-50% and occasionally they steal the ships from you). This requires capital - once your characters get a filthy name you need to sell them and buy new ones; you need faction/deadspace T3s or carriers to have something real to offer to the corps you are applying to, and so on.

By contrast, I don't have the uninterrupted playtime needed to do that, so I engage in market trades and tech 2 production, and make perhaps a billion a month from the former and a very market-dependant amount (500m usually, can hit 2500m if stars align like they recently did with Oneiros hulls) a month from the latter. With more capital behind me I could make more - for instance I would have spent 20b instead of 2b buying up Photon Microprocessors a fortnight ago when I could see their price was going up.

Perhaps you should teach him how its done. A great master you are!