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Sammy Jenkins
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-11 18:13:29 UTC
Hello!

I have played EVE few years ago. Stopped and now playing again. It's fun to see how many things changed.

I started with exploration again, but have some problem in 0.0 space. I don't know how should I defend agains cloaked ships.

I scan in Helios. When I am in site I check local, set up directional scan to see probes and/or ships aproaching my position. Scanning every few seconds. Its no problem. Normally I can escape before any ships warp in and target me, but what to do agains CLOAKED ships, that know site position BEFORE I get there and they are waiting for me there or warp in in cloak?
I podded few times already because of that.

Last time bomber shown up and locked me almost instantly. I was align to something, but didn't have any chance to warp out before he locked me. I tried with different setup, to speed up my warp time, but did not see any results...

Do you have any ideas how to protect myself against such actions?

Regards.

P.S. Sorry for my english.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-12-11 18:22:47 UTC
the only way to protect yourself from stealth bombers is to stay cloaked at a safe. if you see a suspicious guy in local, either chat him up and see if you can make a new friend or research his killboard to see if he is a threat (or both).

of course, you could also explore in a nullified T3 with its low slots full of warp core stabilizers but i don't think it's worth the investment.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sammy Jenkins
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-11 18:26:09 UTC
Yeah, of course. Cloak is good protection, but I cannot be cloaked while hacking. ;)

So..there is no defence against such ships I see...
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#4 - 2013-12-11 19:20:33 UTC
Sammy Jenkins wrote:
Yeah, of course. Cloak is good protection, but I cannot be cloaked while hacking. ;)

So..there is no defence against such ships I see...



empty local = perfect protection.

If people in local find a different system
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-12-11 19:24:48 UTC
if he has the site pre-scanned and is waiting, there's nothing you can do. You can't see if he's afk or not, you can't know if he has the site probed, nothing.

In my experience someone pre-scanning the site to take you down is pretty rare, so I usually don't care if there's a few people in local.

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Mnemosyne Gloob
#6 - 2013-12-11 21:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnemosyne Gloob
Sammy Jenkins wrote:
CLOAKED ships, that know site position BEFORE I get there


This is player reaction to changes made to exploration.
Reading about how a bomber killed you i would assume you were in a frigate doing a relic/data site. The changes that CCP made to profession sites (namely no rats in kspace. You can run those in scanning frigs) and the following influx of explorers made people that like to hunt turn their attention there.

You can kill bombers that are set up to gank explorers in a proper fit t1 scanning frig (drones!). Just do the hacking until they decloak on you.

Now protecting against people having scanned the sites prior to you is obviousely harder. Turn to quieter areas maybe? Learn the locals also always is good.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-11 22:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Fly something that doesn't instantly die to bombers. Pretty much anything BC-sized or above (and many cruisers) can just instapop any bomber that decloaks near them. Or fit a cloak yourself and just cloak and warp off when you see someone decloak near you.

As others have mentioned, do some research on people you see in local. If you see someone with a load of exploration frigate kills in their bomber, it's a good chance they're looking for more.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#8 - 2013-12-12 01:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Sammy Jenkins wrote:
Hello!

I have played EVE few years ago. Stopped and now playing again. It's fun to see how many things changed.

I started with exploration again, but have some problem in 0.0 space. I don't know how should I defend agains cloaked ships.

I scan in Helios. When I am in site I check local, set up directional scan to see probes and/or ships aproaching my position. Scanning every few seconds. Its no problem. Normally I can escape before any ships warp in and target me, but what to do agains CLOAKED ships, that know site position BEFORE I get there and they are waiting for me there or warp in in cloak?
I podded few times already because of that.

Last time bomber shown up and locked me almost instantly. I was align to something, but didn't have any chance to warp out before he locked me. I tried with different setup, to speed up my warp time, but did not see any results...

Do you have any ideas how to protect myself against such actions?

Regards.

P.S. Sorry for my english.


I leave the cheese out specifically to kill you - after 3 sites, you are likely to drop more than a single sites worth of loot and also you solve a contractual problem of mine, in that I'd like the contents of my neighbors signatures moved to my hanger, but agreed to not go do that myself. Also my neighbours tend to be interested in helping me when this occurs, as realistically they'd like half their loots back (though I may be disinclined to tell them that its gametime).
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#9 - 2013-12-14 07:26:00 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Sammy Jenkins wrote:
Hello!

I have played EVE few years ago. Stopped and now playing again. It's fun to see how many things changed.

I started with exploration again, but have some problem in 0.0 space. I don't know how should I defend agains cloaked ships.

I scan in Helios. When I am in site I check local, set up directional scan to see probes and/or ships aproaching my position. Scanning every few seconds. Its no problem. Normally I can escape before any ships warp in and target me, but what to do agains CLOAKED ships, that know site position BEFORE I get there and they are waiting for me there or warp in in cloak?
I podded few times already because of that.

Last time bomber shown up and locked me almost instantly. I was align to something, but didn't have any chance to warp out before he locked me. I tried with different setup, to speed up my warp time, but did not see any results...

Do you have any ideas how to protect myself against such actions?

Regards.

P.S. Sorry for my english.


I leave the cheese out specifically to kill you - after 3 sites, you are likely to drop more than a single sites worth of loot and also you solve a contractual problem of mine, in that I'd like the contents of my neighbors signatures moved to my hanger, but agreed to not go do that myself. Also my neighbours tend to be interested in helping me when this occurs, as realistically they'd like half their loots back (though I may be disinclined to tell them that its gametime).

Such a big mouth for a goon slave....
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#10 - 2013-12-14 09:14:28 UTC
Nimrod vanHall wrote:

Such a big mouth for a goon slave....


fedaykin not letting you fish off the company pier eh ?
Good Posting
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-12-14 11:14:52 UTC
Nimrod vanHall wrote:


Such a big mouth for a goon slave....


I agree. However, maybe he's getting tired of being a useless pet farming all day to give money to his slum lords and wants to kill some stuff. Hence the tough guy response.

Never is too late to play your own sandbox in eve online and i did some mistakes in the past too.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2013-12-14 11:50:57 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Nimrod vanHall wrote:


Such a big mouth for a goon slave....


I agree. However, maybe he's getting tired of being a useless pet farming all day to give money to his slum lords and wants to kill some stuff. Hence the tough guy response.

Never is too late to play your own sandbox in eve online and i did some mistakes in the past too.


A forum alt is complaining about other people Roll

A scanning frigate is basically a player faction spawn, and its got nothing to do with being 'tough' its simply profitable to shoot the things, and if a bear knows one thing, it knows profit.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-12-14 12:27:59 UTC
Alt or not, what i said it is true and you know it.

Next time, try to be helpful here and leave the tough guy crap for general discussion because at least the op doesn't need to pay isk to alliances to run sites and you should respect that attitude.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2013-12-14 12:59:43 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Alt or not, what i said it is true and you know it.

Next time, try to be helpful here and leave the tough guy crap for general discussion because at least the op doesn't need to pay isk to alliances to run sites and you should respect that attitude.


Nimrod - You honestly blew your forum alts anonymity to insult a renter? Insult someone that flies around with pubblieshitlord as a tag ?

Jesus thats absurd.Lol

In any case, you could ask the OP why he liked my post. I'd suggest that the info he wanted was actually there, and I'd suggest that since all you've done is attempt to insult me, and not deliver any useful content at all to the thread, that you'd go look up the meaning of hypocrisy.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-12-14 14:57:16 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
Alt or not, what i said it is true and you know it.

Next time, try to be helpful here and leave the tough guy crap for general discussion because at least the op doesn't need to pay isk to alliances to run sites and you should respect that attitude.


Nimrod - You honestly blew your forum alts anonymity to insult a renter? Insult someone that flies around with pubblieshitlord as a tag ?

Jesus thats absurd.Lol

In any case, you could ask the OP why he liked my post. I'd suggest that the info he wanted was actually there, and I'd suggest that since all you've done is attempt to insult me, and not deliver any useful content at all to the thread, that you'd go look up the meaning of hypocrisy.


What? I'm not that guy.

And to be honest i never noticed what was your tag. So, basically you pay to be insulted, heh.
Ok, i have nothing more to say then.