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Help with Solo Bombers

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Inadequate Suppression
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-07 05:44:13 UTC
I would like some advice as a would-be solo bomber pilot. I have tried, without any success, to hunt and kill PVE ships in 0.0. I feel like I need assistance with just about everything, but most importantly:

1. Fits
2. Tactics
3. Viable Targets

First off, on the fitting front, I have been using a Purifier:

Highs: 3x Arbalest Siege Launchers with Faction Mjolnir missiles. Cov Ops Cloak
Mids: T2 1 MN AB, best named medium shield extender, best named point or scram
Lows: 2x T2 BCS, 1x nano or overdrive injector
Rigs: 2x T1 rigors

With current skills, I'm getting just under 500 DPS without heating (I always overheat, so that adds another 80-100). I can use T2 Siege Launchers, but cannot make them fit without sacrifices in other areas. My e-war skills currently suck, except for Propulsion Jamming.

Due to RP reasons, I have been working in Guristas Space. I like the idea of using stealth bombers to sneak up on people, so all my limited training is focused on those ships. I've been skill training for about six months, but RL commitments have kept me from playing that much. I've learned that level 1 & 2 missions really suck, but the thrill of Eve combat is like crack.

Basically, I spend hours waiting for a target I think is viable, then attempt a swift strike. Unfortunately, I am new at this and my luck has also been terrible. The first time I attacked someone, I think he was in a Drake. He was in an anomaly with a bunch of people in local. I guess he thought I wouldn't attack him in those circumstances. I had really bad skills then and barely dented his shields before all the rats in the anomaly switched to attacking me and I had to warp out. Saved my ship, but just barely.

The second time, I found an Ishtar ratting in an anomaly. He initially left the anomaly when I entered the system, but came back after about 20 minutes. I was waiting for him. I saw he was using heavy drones and appeared to be mostly speed tanking. I began approaching him, but unfortunately got decloaked by a wreck or some other object before I was ready. I was within point range of him, so I locked him up and began shooting. Unfortunately, his heavy drones were only about 10km away from me and they killed me super fast - before I could even warp out.

I have better skills now, and I would like to continue the hunt. What can I do to improve my fit? Any tactics that are especially useful? What targets can I hope to kill? Should I train for a different class of ships? Is my chosen play style viable? Or will I be forced to join a corp and fly with friends?

Thank you in advance for any assistance you can offer.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#2 - 2013-12-07 06:06:21 UTC
The fit isn't bad for solo but honestly a Bomber is a ship made to work in a team of other bombers and recons. If you want to do solo cloaky warfare train up to a T3. Other wise you'll only ever be consistently effective if you manage to catch the PVE ship while its tank is going down from rats.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-12-07 10:37:57 UTC
Obligatory eve isn't a solo game statement.

Bombers really typify this point. A few waves of bombers can destroy many many times there own weight when coordinated properly. A solo one can be torn apart by most any 'competent' PvP pilot.

Then again always bet on stupid. As stated, pve ships under rat fire can be put out of their misery by solo bombers. But the door swings both ways. NPC agro can and will switch at the worst times so that a bs with a point can ruin your day as well.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#4 - 2013-12-07 15:20:58 UTC
Chessur has a really good blog on solo bomber living: http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/?m=1

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-07 16:57:48 UTC
The engagement envelope of a solo bomber is narrow. You are looking for toothless targets. Noctis' & exhumers. The problem with that is local. When you come into a system those targets dock up because they can see you in local and your targets' Intel channel alerted them of you while you were still 4 jumps out.

Go to wormholes. There is no local there. You will need to sacrifice a lot to fit that core probe launcher but you won't need the things you sacrifice to pop a mining barge. Look in ore/gas anoms for ventures & barges. Look for wrecks in combat anoms then get in place and wait for the noctis or salvage destroyer show up.

Once you get good at finding noctis' you can be patient with them follow them from anom to anom (remember to bm them before the dps crew finishes) and let them fill their cargo with tasty, tasty drone poop.

If you would rather use that bomber to kill things with teeth then get friends. Two bombers, an assault frig, a battle cruiser & a cloaky scout can kill anything. Or train up for a proteus or loki.

With all that said, I've known some very competent bomber pilots that solo battleships and even multiple targets from time to time.But it certainly isn't a regular thing.

Good luck out there man.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#6 - 2013-12-07 18:53:31 UTC
Solo bombers tend to be a dead thing now. If i were to do it though i would use a purifer over any other bomber in the space you operate in.


Reasoning is simple inflicting 500 dps of em damage to ships tanked to kin/therm will get you kills.
Inadequate Suppression
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-07 19:20:09 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Chessur has a really good blog on solo bomber living: http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/?m=1


Thank you for this - very helpful! I need to take some time to train up some scanning skills.

I also think I should switch over to the Ancillary Shield Booster - that looks like it might be more survivable than the MSE fit.

People always say that the Eve-O forums are a cesspit of unhelpful pricks. Thank you for proving there are at least a few exceptions.
Inadequate Suppression
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-07 19:21:35 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The engagement envelope of a solo bomber is narrow. You are looking for toothless targets. Noctis' & exhumers. The problem with that is local. When you come into a system those targets dock up because they can see you in local and your targets' Intel channel alerted them of you while you were still 4 jumps out.

Go to wormholes. There is no local there. You will need to sacrifice a lot to fit that core probe launcher but you won't need the things you sacrifice to pop a mining barge. Look in ore/gas anoms for ventures & barges. Look for wrecks in combat anoms then get in place and wait for the noctis or salvage destroyer show up.

Once you get good at finding noctis' you can be patient with them follow them from anom to anom (remember to bm them before the dps crew finishes) and let them fill their cargo with tasty, tasty drone poop.

If you would rather use that bomber to kill things with teeth then get friends. Two bombers, an assault frig, a battle cruiser & a cloaky scout can kill anything. Or train up for a proteus or loki.

With all that said, I've known some very competent bomber pilots that solo battleships and even multiple targets from time to time.But it certainly isn't a regular thing.

Good luck out there man.


Thank you!
Inadequate Suppression
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-08 02:17:21 UTC
After reading through the solo bomber blog, I'm curious. Is it really necessary to pimp out ships like that for success? A Snake set is probably outside my budget right now (I currently don't have any real income stream in game. I'm living off a PLEX I permitted myself to buy after I felt like gouging my eyes out running missions).

This is the loss referenced above:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20107526
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#10 - 2013-12-08 02:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gh0stBust3rs
Dont worry about pimping.

Pimping is once you have the isk and skills to make it worth it.



Also dont go after afk ishtars. they eat things for lunch. You want things like miners industrials tengus ravens drakes. Also go for a long point. You want to be able to orbit @ 20km to keep full speed.
Mistress Rose
Defensores Fidei
#11 - 2013-12-08 03:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Rose
Theres a GREAT old post from years back from a ridiculous solo bomber pilot...included full analysis, fits, target selections, etc.

It was an old post, but the lessons still apply today. Someone help me out with a link or the guys name...I can't recall it.

MR

Edit: His name was Valadeya...find his post, read it: profit.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2013-12-08 12:26:58 UTC
Inadequate Suppression wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Chessur has a really good blog on solo bomber living: http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/?m=1


Thank you for this - very helpful! I need to take some time to train up some scanning skills.

I also think I should switch over to the Ancillary Shield Booster - that looks like it might be more survivable than the MSE fit.

People always say that the Eve-O forums are a cesspit of unhelpful pricks. Thank you for proving there are at least a few exceptions.

This rather depends upon attitude,
bring the wrong one and you get the worst of people.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#13 - 2013-12-08 14:20:19 UTC
Personally like t2 launchers. Mjolnir rage torps actually apply damage to ratting BS :D
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-12-08 16:44:35 UTC
Inadequate Suppression wrote:
After reading through the solo bomber blog, I'm curious. Is it really necessary to pimp out ships like that for success? A Snake set is probably outside my budget right now (I currently don't have any real income stream in game. I'm living off a PLEX I permitted myself to buy after I felt like gouging my eyes out running missions).

This is the loss referenced above:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20107526


Don't worry about that, Chessur is a pilot incapable of killing anything without pirate implants, links and choosing ships smaller/lighter than his.

Check out this fit of a legendary bomber pilot pollejtepikhaar instead: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20711454

.

Inadequate Suppression
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-09 01:45:12 UTC
Roime wrote:
Inadequate Suppression wrote:
After reading through the solo bomber blog, I'm curious. Is it really necessary to pimp out ships like that for success? A Snake set is probably outside my budget right now (I currently don't have any real income stream in game. I'm living off a PLEX I permitted myself to buy after I felt like gouging my eyes out running missions).

This is the loss referenced above:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20107526


Don't worry about that, Chessur is a pilot incapable of killing anything without pirate implants, links and choosing ships smaller/lighter than his.

Check out this fit of a legendary bomber pilot pollejtepikhaar instead: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20711454



Thank you for linking me some more fitting ideas. I'm pretty happy with my new fit - MASB purifier.

I had some terrible luck today... I fought a Brutix down into low hull before I had to warp out (mistimed a couple of my boosts from my MASB). Then had the terrible luck to get decloaked on a bubble by a Vigilant.
Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
#16 - 2013-12-09 06:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Livonian
Disregard everyone in this thread that says bombers suck solo. They are amazing IF you pick the right targets and know how to fly your own ship.

You said something about a drake in the OP, that is almost always going to be a bad target. You want things that are either battleship sized, or lightly tanked with no drones. This is where you are going to run into an issue right now, as the north is predominately using ishstars to rat with, which are both small and carry drones. However things like Oracles, afk domis, and pretty much any gun battleship make great targets. Also, any industrials are awesome kills.

As for tactics, these will come with time and experience (and quite a few bomber losses). However, you need to know the basics of how to speed/sig tank so if you don't already know how to do that go look it up. Catching ratters will be all down to dscan and speed, but catching salvagers is a bit more fun. If you warp into a system where there is ratting going on, and you miss the ratters, make sure to bookmark their wrecks and swing by again in 10-15 mins. Plenty of easy noctis kills.

Another underrated thing is having a bomb launcher fit on you ship. Although I have only done this with a manti, it really helps against the battlecruiser's as you can basically strip off their shields with the bomb resulting in fewer volleys and less danger for you. Though if you expect to find a lot of battleships stick with max torp damage.

Some of my favourite kills:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17046924 (that shield booster)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17601238 (wreck BM trick)
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#17 - 2013-12-09 08:11:09 UTC
Perhaps somewhat out of date these days but the old forums had a very good thread on the solo bomber...

here.

The thread covers the full range of issues for the style; fitting (yours appears to be quite close to the one suggested), target selection and more. The target selection data is from before the massive Tiericide changes so its specifics are no longer necessarily applicable but the principles are still sound.
Inzax
#18 - 2013-12-10 23:16:50 UTC
Not solo but the "Bombers Bar" chat channel has many who would be willing to help with tactics and fits. Joining a Bombers Bar Fleet is crazy fun. Again, realize you were talking about solo but thought I would throw out the Fleet option. No politics. Just one rule NPSI (not purple shoot it.)

Some of the fleets get involved with BLOPS. If you are learning it is a good place to be.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2013-12-11 21:36:00 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Chessur has a really good blog on solo bomber living: http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/?m=1


Oh, wow. I didn't realize Chessur was doing this again. Yah, he knows his stuff. I learned w-space hunting from him.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2013-12-11 21:58:53 UTC
Solo bombers are perfectly viable. One merely needs to learn a few skills to bring out their innate potential.


  • I prefer to fly with brackets on so I can see all wrecks and cans on grid. Helps to prevent unintentional decloaks.
  • Be aware of your position and your target's position in system relative to warpable objects, especially said wrecks and cans. A lot of anoms have LCOs and asteroids. In most cases you can avoid having to slowboat around grid if you warp out and back using a celestial.
  • Don't get webbed.
  • Be aware of your engagement profile. Torpedoes perform best against large slow targets. Industrials and miners fit this category best. But that doesn't mean you can't kill combat ships, too.
  • A target painter will increase your applied damage to just about everything, and it uses very little CPU compared to other forms of EWAR.


Your choice of prop mod can make a big difference. AB is better for reducing incoming damage. But the MWD will save you if you jump into a bubble camp in nul/w-space.

In general, Drakes and drone ships make bad targets for solo bombers. But...

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16602772

The former tier 3 BCs make nice targets, Talos excepting.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16602769

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16602768

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16602767 Tag-teamed this one. He was obvious bait.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY