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Freighter Warp Speeds
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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-10 16:21:37 UTC
Now that warp speed actually means something, I suggest CCP consider giving the 4 freighters different warp speeds, or give some of them bonuses effecting warp speed.

The choice of a freighter has always been a compromise between size and speed with the Charon being the biggest and the Fenrir being the fastest. However, sub-light speed for a freighter means nothing (unless you auto-pilot, which we do not want to encourage). Why not give ships like the Fenrir and Providence a slightly higher warp speed?

I am not talking about a huge buff, maybe just 10% faster (total, not per level).
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#2 - 2013-12-10 18:48:45 UTC
LG Ascendancy alpha-epsilon + WS-615 will give freighter battleship-like warp speed. Whats more do you need?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2013-12-10 18:55:00 UTC
Extra HP is sometimes helpful
Extra sublight speed is sometimes helpful
Extra cargo space is sometimes helpful
Extra agility is sometimes helpful
Extra warp speed would be helpful 100% of the time.

Warp speed should stay consistent across freighters just like its consistent for every other ship class.

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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#4 - 2013-12-10 18:55:15 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
LG Ascendancy alpha-epsilon + WS-615 will give freighter battleship-like warp speed. Whats more do you need?


You seem to have totally missed his point. He's asking for better warp-speed for under-used freighters that have inferior cargo capacity.
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#5 - 2013-12-10 19:12:20 UTC
I'd be in favour of all ship classes having some variation in warp speeds. Why shouldn't some cruisers be faster than others?

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-10 19:13:39 UTC
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
I'd be in favour of all ship classes having some variation in warp speeds. Why shouldn't some cruisers be faster than others?


Some are, many T2 ships are 10% faster than their T1 equivalent.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-12-10 19:14:09 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
I'd be in favour of all ship classes having some variation in warp speeds. Why shouldn't some cruisers be faster than others?


Some are, many T2 ships are 10% faster than their T1 equivalent.


This is not a variation among ships within the same class.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-10 19:36:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
Batelle wrote:
Extra HP is sometimes helpful
Extra sublight speed is sometimes helpful
Extra cargo space is sometimes helpful
Extra agility is sometimes helpful
Extra warp speed would be helpful 100% of the time.

Warp speed should stay consistent across freighters just like its consistent for every other ship class.


The point is taken, but lets look at it this way.

Charon: Most Cargo
Obelisk: Most HP
Fenrir: Fastest sub-light
Providence: Most balanced (best looking freighter ingame, if not the best looking ship!)

The Fenrir's ability is the most useless out of all of them. If it is meant to be faster than the others, then why not make if faster in a way that actually matters?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2013-12-10 19:45:12 UTC
Just because you don't autopilot doesn't mean no one does or that no one ever should. I'm sure the agility is also more helpful when you're trying to install ihub upgrades as well.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-10 19:45:28 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
I'd be in favour of all ship classes having some variation in warp speeds. Why shouldn't some cruisers be faster than others?


Some are, many T2 ships are 10% faster than their T1 equivalent.


This is not a variation among ships within the same class.


That is kind of splitting hairs my friend. Especially considering there are only 2 classes of freighters, and they have very different uses. A cruiser and a HAC are more alike than a freighter and a jump freighter. It stands to reason that with fewer classes to choose from, you would find more verity within the class.

We already have president. Most ships within a class have similar cargo capacities. Not freighters.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-12-10 19:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Paul Panala wrote:


That is kind of splitting hairs my friend. Especially considering there are only 2 classes of freighters, and they have very different uses. A cruiser and a HAC are more alike than a freighter and a jump freighter. It stands to reason that with fewer classes to choose from, you would find more verity within the class.

We already have president. Most ships within a class have similar cargo capacities. Not freighters.


I don't think I am splitting hairs, nor am I comparing JFs to Freighters. To my knowledge there isn't a single ship class (lets not get into semantics over what a class is, call it "role" if you like) in the game where different racial versions get different warp speeds. And I don't know what you mean about "similar cargo capacities." cargo variation among freighters is less than 10%. In other ship classes (HACs for example) they go as low as 240m up to 650m3. Cargo space has always been a stat that varies and is considered for balancing, warp speed has never been a stat that varies race to race.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-10 20:39:39 UTC
Batelle wrote:
warp speed has never been a stat that varies race to race.


Warp Speed has never been a meaningful stat at all until Rubicon.

I see no harm in the change, other than Charon owners getting upset that their ship is no longer the obvious high-sec best choice. The fact that it isn't done with other ships doesn't mean it can't be done here.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2013-12-10 20:44:07 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
[quote=Batelle]
Providence: Most balanced (not really known for anything)


Outrageous! Shocked It's known for being the best looking freighter ingame, if not the best looking ship!

And, as it is the most balanced, it delivers best performance as a freighter. The sub-light speed is very good for its large cargo size, and so is its agility. It is of course skill dependent, but I really like it when my Provi let's all the other freighters eat dust when I am on autopilot. Big smile

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-12-10 20:58:16 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
[quote=Batelle]
Providence: Most balanced (not really known for anything)


Outrageous! Shocked It's known for being the best looking freighter ingame, if not the best looking ship!

And, as it is the most balanced, it delivers best performance as a freighter. The sub-light speed is very good for its large cargo size, and so is its agility. It is of course skill dependent, but I really like it when my Provi let's all the other freighters eat dust when I am on autopilot. Big smile


Thank you sir, I corrected my post based on your feedback :-) Yes, when I said most balanced, I meant that in a good way, I was not trying to imply it was a worthless ship.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#15 - 2013-12-11 00:00:25 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
The Fenrir's ability is the most useless out of all of them. If it is meant to be faster than the others, then why not make if faster in a way that actually matters?

Fenrir has fastest align time of them all. That makes big difference in time spent during 20-30 jumps travels.

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-11 00:48:51 UTC
How about one freighter with a faster align/sublight speed, another with faster warp ?

If the route involves lots of short warps, the faster align/sublight gets to the destination quicker. But if the route involves enough longer warps, the faster warp speed freighter gets there faster.

CCP would have data on the 4 most popular hauling routes. I'd suggest that they rebalance the freighters (or alter the systems in each route) so that each freighter is the best choice for one of those routes.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#17 - 2013-12-11 01:01:15 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
How about one freighter with a faster align/sublight speed, another with faster warp ?

already exists in form of Nomad vs Ascedancy.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-12-21 04:14:11 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Extra HP is sometimes helpful
Extra sublight speed is sometimes helpful
Extra cargo space is sometimes helpful
Extra agility is sometimes helpful
Extra warp speed would be helpful 100% of the time.

Warp speed should stay consistent across freighters just like its consistent for every other ship class.


I can't believe I overlooked this ship class that already breaks your rule.
The Bustard has a warp speed of 3.3
The Crane is has a warp speed or 6.0
Both are classified as Transport ships.

Now I am sure you will be quick to say "but they are meant for totally different roles." Yes, but I would argue that the 4 freighters are meant to fit slightly different roles as well.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2013-12-21 04:44:27 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
LG Ascendancy alpha-epsilon + WS-615 will give freighter battleship-like warp speed. Whats more do you need?

Battleship speeds... ain't like they used to be.

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Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-24 06:22:38 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Extra HP is sometimes helpful
Extra sublight speed is sometimes helpful
Extra cargo space is sometimes helpful
Extra agility is sometimes helpful
Extra warp speed would be helpful 100% of the time.

Warp speed should stay consistent across freighters just like its consistent for every other ship class.


I can't believe I overlooked this ship class that already breaks your rule.
The Bustard has a warp speed of 3.3
The Crane is has a warp speed or 6.0
Both are classified as Transport ships.

Now I am sure you will be quick to say "but they are meant for totally different roles." Yes, but I would argue that the 4 freighters are meant to fit slightly different roles as well.

bustard is a deep space transport and crane is a blockade runner. trying to say they are similar is like trying to say the buzzard and manticore are similar, it just doesn't work and shows how ignorant you are.
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