EVE Fiction

Weak? Dead?
Both, and yet, neither.

Sister?

The battle of vakatioth must have looked more like a well formed amarr atack force with support ships that consited of cruisers and frigates as expected with webs and something knowed of the amarr neuts. While the Jova armade had frigate sized or smaller ships around t2 frigs. (and the mother ships



and ship webbed infront of a amarr BS could be called dead.


And while your compare the battle to the blockade lvl4. You are comparing it to the worst rat AI in the game. And still if you do missions with a couple of friends in t2 frigs loses can be expected.
And i am really wondering why you thinkt he amarr armade had the brain dead AI of lvl4 rats and not the powerfull and clever brain of incursion rats that can alpha BS of grid and actually focus fire (and use webs, scrams, neuts , boost). If you tell me that the amarr army looked anything like that i could accept those few loses from the jove

Power leads to arrogance, and I'm pretty sure the Jove have that in bucketfuls. Plus, whilst I'm not familiar with the chronicle being referenced with 1/3rd of the Jove ships going down, it could be the Amarr just wanted to save face, of course they'll say that .

MORE SPOILERS.

They aren't said to be dead- only Grious says he is dead himself in Templar One, and the Jovians are still alive.

The Jovians didn't find refuge with the Sleepers- the Sleepers (Architects) and the Jovians branched off from each other, the Architects preferring to make their own virtual paradise as opposed to the real world. They may have created the disease themselves to force more Jovians to join them.

Only the original "Templars" were infused with actual Sleeper implants- they were defective as a result of having used implants literally harvested from sleeper bodies. They now have reverse-engineered implants that aren't actually from Sleepers.

You're right about Tech 3 ships being built with reverse-engineered sleeper tech, but it is not Jovian tech. Look at my bio in-game to see the actual Jovian ships- the sleeper drones Tech 3 ships are made from are a completely different kind of tech.

I read a lot of the lore and would love for CCP to expand on the Jovians once again- maybe with the introduction of player-made stargates, they'll appear again for some reason.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1202/Jovian_Timeline__Bonus_Material.txt

This is a great collection of information on the Jovians and sleepers in general- you should all read it

That Genolution and X-Sense do not employ any Jove for their dealings with Empire residents, is not a sign of positive state of health within the Jove faction, but the opposite. The whole top brash of those corporations could have kicked the bucket a long time ago and we would be none the wiser.

These corporations are probably being controlled by some shady SoCT agent these days. (No, SoCT are not Jove either.)

I'm sorry, but it isn't so.

In wiki it's specifically said that amarr fleet was:

• "a diverse mix of cruisers and battleships."
• "slow and bulky"
• and couldn't track anything when things were moving. (correction "were unable to concentrate fire")

there is no mention of frigates anywhere; nor are there any mention of neuts or webs.

Also we can assume they had t1 guns, 'cause some chronicle mention they were using radio crystals.(but my memory is iffy on this one, so I could be wrong here)


That's a good point, I hadn't considered that.

But do Sansha's ships really have human crew or are they all just this things connected to a hive-mind?



"...while the Jove had lost only a third of their vessels."

btw.

We also know that amarr fleet was "numbering 200 Imperial Navy Battlships" (I was wrong on this one the first time, I thought there were 200 ships in total from amarr side)

and Jovians were outnumbered two to one.(from Theodicy)

i was under the understanding that the sansha still had secert jovian tech from way before being seen in jove space?

when the jovian embasador was accidently blown up in to little pieces, the jove did a eve wide game for all empires corporation and faction to obtain as much dna/bio of there ambasador so they could rebuild her, afterwards they went around eve thanking the major donators and gave them some tech, one of them being the protal generator that initialy killed her i beleved that it was given to sansha him self maybe? as not long after the jove for the first time i can think of joind in with a force of the empires to eradicate sansha, as nby now he had turn into what he is today and they must have realised that the power he can have combined with that woudl destroy eve ?

but he had dissapeard on his return he now live sin jove space also he can generato portals ANYWHERE....

sounds a bit sussed to me,

its also maybe mentiond they coudl be slightly in cahoots with his technology and there disese swopign tech to maybe fight this desies ?

They have two major strategic advantages - enigma, and ubiquitous cloning.

While the Empires do have their own capsuleers, the bulk of their navies are conventional craft, commanded by a bridge crew - they just can't produce capsuleers fast enough, and so many capsuleers go private and independent, for their naval capsuleers to be anything more than an elite minority. For the Jove meanwhile, it's been implied that cloning is universally available, and it may well be that every Jove alive is entirely capable of being a capsuleer. Their entire fleet could be nothing but the Jovian equivalent of pod pilots, and given that a lone well-piloted capsuleer battlecruiser is capable of defeating a much larger and heavier force of conventional craft, that's a huge strategic advantage right there.

The other has to do with the kind of warfare that Sun Tzu would recognize - information. Intelligence. Knowing your enemy and knowing yourself. As far as the Empires are concerned, the Jove are a damn near impenetrable mystery. They have provided enormous technological assistance and asked for only a few medium-sized stones in payment. One of them once attempted to do a diplomatic tour of all four empires in the space of half an hour and wound up smearing himself all over New Eden in a teleportation accident.

Their precise technological ability is unknown, their motives are inscrutable, their fleet composition an enigma and their executive structure opaque. Hell, it's a matter of some debate whether they even still exist or just quietly popped out of existence sometime in the last six years or so. In the face of that, attempting to formulate even the most vague and general-purpose strategy would be difficult. Meanwhile, the implication has been that the Jove take a keen interest in everything the rest of humanity does.

Imagine trying to play a game of poker where you can't see the flop, you don't know how large the pot is, nobody will tell you what's being bid, raised and folded, and your opponent is in another room where they may or may not know what one or both of your cards are. It doesn't really matter if they're only dealt one card while you receive the usual two, they still have a huge advantage over you.