Science & Industry

Hi, I only got back to the game after a long break and was thinking about getting into invention. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the approximate cost of running a pos in high sec and wether or not i can make it profitable with one maybe 2 characters.

Plus any advice on size and typ of pos which is best for this type of operation would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

From someone who can turn out 10k t2 modules a month (yeah with 80 manufacturing slots) the cost of running the POS is minor in comparison to the amount I spend on datacores each month.

Also - prepare for RSI, its nothing but a click fest and there are plenty of items that you can build and never sell for a decent profit.

And um.... yeah.... T2INVENTION BROKEN SINCE LAST PATCH I DID 10 JOBS AND ONLY GOT 2 SUCCESSES SCREW YOU CCP YOUR DICE ARE RIGGED!!!!1111!

The cost of a line of research / production. Depend on several factors, among others if you are anxious to take into account the initial capital cost of the infrastructure and the maintenance of this one.
In the maintenance cost the loss of module and renewal because of war factors to be "to take" into count
It is also necessary to plan an amortization period As well as the occupation rate of lines

It is also necessary to know the parameters of every module to make a pricer worthy of the name

exemple with Med faction caldari: MyOldPos
MyOldPos-01
(old pricer calculation before change fuel patch

(peace/war ) its the cost module when extra module for war are up and labo down

Faction Pos for bonus in cunsumption was the best before the change of fuel , and labo bonus

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siez depend of what you need , in high sec use med pos can provide some defence , 4-5 labs and T3 manufacture , if you dont set some defence , Your PoS risks to become an easy prey for the small fleet

The security or the absence of security always has a cost in Eve

Don't get into invention. It's impossible to make any money b/c all the old players have T2 BPO's. Instead go make a thread complaining about how T2 BPO's are unfair b/c you don't have the time/dedication to get one.

Or at least that's what I heard on the forums somewhere.......

and you can have small fleet to surround your Pos too as you wish .. (security or not have alway a cost )

You cannot establish production costs if you do not take into count all the "rigors of Space ' environment

when you spend 2b in Pos and you "gain" 100m witn bpc product ( after fuel cost paid), you have gain nothing ... just reduce de Debt of your r&d division to 1,9b
if you lost your tiny pos again and gain , you growing your debt ... and if you dont be able to evalute the Pos Amortization .. you can be know the real R&d Activtiy cost for evaluate the Bpc cost ...

Unless you want the POS for Researching ME, you're probably better off just finding a station to do inventions in, it will cost you around 300M a month just to keep up a small POS.
If ME research IS what you're looking for, unless you're going to be doing A LOT of ME research, then you're probably better off finding an Alliance that has an POS you can use.

I meant to say Medium, but actually it's been a while since I've run my own POS. From what I remember it was more than just Fuel, there were a lot of other expenses involved. I remember that between Parts, Fuel and Empire Certificates, it was costing me around 300M a month to run. Maybe slightly less than that but not much.
The point is, unless you need the station for ME research, it's usually not worth it, even at 110M per 30 days.

I'd say it all depends on your setup and goal. For simple copying a POS is quite expensive, I agree. But if you add ME/PE research, invention and manufacturing slots, it pays for itself in less than a week, maybe even a day if you keep 2 or more chars occupied. I have been utilizing a POS since february, even upgraded to a large one recently, and the fuel costs are, in the long run and at a large scale, absolutely negligible.
What's much more expensive is the initial costs of a POS. Even a small one with only 3 labs is about half a billion ISK. Not much for a seasoned pilot, but a lot of cash for a fresh character.

Which is fine for baby's first invention job, but there's no way you're running any kind of practical enterprise that way.

I wasn't addressing the OP's plans or desires. I was addressing the rather poor advice you gave to the OP regarding the value of a POS (make-believe maintenance costs aside).



Neither did I, really, except to acknowledge that it makes for extra "free" money on any research pos. Did you have a point here, or were you just hoping that more words = more valid?



Yeah, and the wait time on those copy slots in, what... Torrinos? Is what? Two weeks? A week, if you're lucky? Your "cheap" copy slots are actually pretty expensive when you consider your time and the opportunity cost of having a copy line locked up for that long. You're simultaneously robbing yourself of copy income and bottlenecking your invention output for the sake of saving what essentially amounts to pennies on POS fuel. As I said before, if you're just dipping your toe in the waters to try it for funsies, that's quite alright. If you actually want to run an efficient invention (Not ME, not PE, not T1 - INVENTION) operation, instead of one that is gaily dressed in clown shoes, you're going to need more ready access to copy slots than that.

You're totally welcome to do slow-motion invention by way of empire stations, but you shouldn't go around advising people that a POS "isn't worth it" because that's demonstrably ****** advice.