EVE General Discussion

I'm sorry, but we are talking about CCP here, are we not?

< Rushlock btw, thank you Carka for the mention o7

I believe the OP's main point (and certainly correct me if this is inaccurate) is that Twitch integration alone will accomplish little to nothing best case, and worst case lead to negative first impressions of EVE to first time viewers. Not that there is anything at all inherently bad about the integration itself, merely looking ahead to possible outcomes.

There is merit in many of the perspectives put forward in this thread, with the exception of "The sky is falling" reactions posted by a few. Personally I am more in the camp of, "the cream will rise to the top", but that does certainly mean some number of potential new EVE players will be missed out on until things settle. Short term this is very unfortunate, but in the long term it may work out.

As far as requesting or expecting CCP to take an active hand in promoting currently or even future existing casts, I think this is a tricky matter. Understandably, anything said in favor of CCP support seems self-serving, though with no CCP interaction at all, it is up to the players and current community itself to promote the broadcasts they want to see prosper and grow. This seems more inline with how CCP has handled most matters in the past, let the players sort it out, they'll police when needed. Yes, being more proactive is in CCP's financial interests, but the perceived risk may out weigh the perceived gain.

We may also be avoiding an elephant in the room. It has been mentioned in this thread that intel and station cam channels, while serving purposes as tools, are not exactly ideal for community building or impression making for new players/viewers. Yet this is only type of channel to receive a large push from CCP (For transparency sake, CCP was kind enough to Tweet/FB post, and use several other media outlets to promote my broadcast once, and it is greatly appreciated). Is this indicative of their interests, or an explanation for their hesitancy to promote any particular channel again? Personally I view it as the latter, and see no easy solution.

PS - Suggestion for OP, would there be any value in putting short descriptions of the channels you mentioned in the OP? For instance I'm sure the majority that read this thread are veteran players, and would be bored silly with my new-player oriented broadcast, but may find Zao/Squeeb/Fin to be great :) (I think Malik is stepping away for awhile?)

Not the solution to what exactly? Better streams? More viewers? A better game?

I don't watch streams so I basically don't care but I am curious what you were thinking it promised.

So… having not worked with Twitch, will this record the stream for future viewing automatically, or is that some kind of additional service you have to activate?

Because if it's built in, I can easily see this having a huge benefit for bug hunters: when you come up with a tricky heisenbug, they don't have to come back and ask for pages upon pages of reproduction steps and screen shots and so on. Instead, it'll be “record it and send me the URL so I can see it in action”.

Sure, you can do that already with fraps and uploading to youtube, but having it built into the client just removes so many steps.

that twitch logo in the twitch control ui of the neocom is really immersion breaking it should be in the settings window along with the audio and video settings for the game so you can set it up then click a button to begin streaming in the game. The intel possibilities are interesting, though scouts will now play the game via remote control with their fc barking orders like pan left, warp to x show me dscan etc, might as well be a camera drone.

I don't mind streaming but I am concerned that ccp is damaging immersion. Plus does anyone know if the aforementioned fc would have to watch an advert every now and again, or is that only for paid accounts. I honestly don't know how twitch works, but it does make me ask if ccp are getting any money from their partnership with twitch.tv I am not accusing ccp of anything untoward I just don't know how it works and am musing aloud so to speak.

Even if they were, I certainly don't see a problem with that.

The twitch logo is only on your Neocom if you drag it there from the root menu.

Jee you want to moan about transparency slider in the settings window as well? It's just an added feature, and it will obviously be of some help to people who want to share techniques or strategies to corp mates quickly.

As long as I can easily deactivate in the client everything streaming related and especially the awful mess that is twitch, I don't care what CCP does with it.

I'm looking forward to being able to dump an alt in an enemy staging system, click a button, and give all my coallition FCs a live 23/7 feed of enemy formups.

If it's CCP's intention to make viewing the game easier so as to attract more customers, then it will fail miserably.

There is nothing more boring than watching icons move around a picture of space with a bunch of windows blocking what view there even is. I know what's going on and and it still pains me to sit through as a spectator. Imagine what it's like for someone that has never seen the game before. I could make a better flash animation in a few minutes than anything streaming a fleet fight would look like to a non-EVE player.

If, on the other hand, CCP is doing this so that experienced players can check each other out, then it's probably going to work well. While I haven't actually watched other people play video games since hanging out in arcades and standing in line for Centipede back in the Eighties, I can see the attraction for the millennial generation.

So, to sum up. It'll probably be a good thing in the long run unless EVE vets start using it as a tool to try and attract new players.

Mr Epeen