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Dealing with an MIA CEO

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Davy MacGyver
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#1 - 2013-12-08 03:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Davy MacGyver
Been reading about corporations and how to set them up and run them. Ran across an EVElopedia article about the subject. The premise is that the CEO and any directors of your corp are MIA, and you want to become the CEO yourself. There are three prerequisites:

1. You must be a member of the corp. ... Okay, this makes sense.
2. You must have 5% or more of the shares in the corporation. .... what if no shares were ever distributed - the CEO holds them all?
3. You must have the Corporation Management skill at level 2. Okay, fair enough, though I wonder why level 1 isn't enough.

Scenario one: No CEO around, and no Directors either. I have 5% of the shares. How do I initiate a vote if only CEOs and Directors can do that (which is what the EVElopedia voting article says).

Scenarion two: as one, but I have no shares. No one who is around has shares. Now what?

If the answer to these is "you're SOL" then I guess the only solution for members of such corps is to quit the corp and go somewhere else. Okay with me, but it seems odd CCP would set things up this way.What?

Further question on voting: is the result of the vote based on the actual shares voted, or are shares not voted also counted in some way (and if so, how)?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-08 04:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Directors and people with any shares can initiate a CEO replacement vote. In theory you should be able to do so with even one share. This is why giving shares away to anybody is a bad idea, as anyone with shares can potentially take over the corp. (However I've not explicitly tested this in ages, so don't blame me if this was changed in the last few years).

Skipping the second question for a moment: only shareholders that voted count. So if you have one share and vote to replace the CEO, and someone else has 1000 shares but they don't vote at all, the vote passes and you become the CEO.

If you can't get access to any shares, you could try petitioning. CCP may or may not help you. But they will not even consider it unless it's reasonably provable that the CEO is actually gone - i.e. if their subscription has been cancelled for many months. (*) Unless the corporation has some assets that are inaccessible to you in any other way, it's faster and easier to just create a new corp.

Why would CCP set this up that way? Anyone who can replace a CEO gone inactive can also take over the corp when the CEO goes on holiday for a week. Shares are the mechanism that gives you the power to do either. You trade corp security against hostile takeover for security against the CEO getting hit by a truck. There is no way to have both. (**)




(*) Personal note: One person who holds shares of my corp has left the game a long time ago. We tried to get the shares back (just to clear up the shareholder list). Even two years after he unsubscribed CCP was not willing to do anything to his shares. I know this is not the same situation, but I'm just setting an example that getting CCP to do anything to inactive accounts is difficult.

(**) Actually, with intelligent distribution of shares and some weak assumptions about trusted people you can "almost" have both. But then there is a glitch/feature in the game bordering an exploit (but to my knowledge never declared as such) which will ruin one for you again.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#3 - 2013-12-08 05:28:10 UTC
Davy MacGyver wrote:

If the answer to these is "you're SOL" then I guess the only solution for members of such corps is to quit the corp and go somewhere else. Okay with me, but it seems odd CCP would set things up this way.What?


Im not 100% sure on this but i think CCP has on a case by case basis switched around the CEO's IF (big if there) the CEO has been inactive for an extensive amount of time (6 months or more i would imagine).


Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#4 - 2013-12-08 15:11:47 UTC
Beyond the question of shareholders and leadership transfer.....
You should leave that corp. There are myriad old and highly organized and effective corps and alliances in Eve. Join those. If things hinge on a single guy, then organizationally the corp sucks, and it's potential is cut off at the knees. Talk to your corp-mates, and convince the to leave, and join en-masse in a larger, older, more bureaucratically cohesive corp.

As an added bonus, the older groups tend to have organizational infrastructure in place that supplies a number sweet boons to members. Guides, buy/sell programs, skilling programs, PI co-ops, ship-replacement, election systems, accountability, clearly defined roles so you know who to talk to, diplomatic stability(or at least intentional instability), stress-tested system and plans, etc.

This is why I'm comfortable looking down my nose at new corps. Time, effort, and tears are utterly required to set up and settle these things in a functional manner. New groups do not have the time with which to have generated all that effort and drama-under-the-bridge that comes with all this.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-08 15:49:20 UTC
Solai wrote:
Beyond the question of shareholders and leadership transfer.....
You should leave that corp. There are myriad old and highly organized and effective corps and alliances in Eve. Join those. If things hinge on a single guy, then organizationally the corp sucks, and it's potential is cut off at the knees. Talk to your corp-mates, and convince the to leave, and join en-masse in a larger, older, more bureaucratically cohesive corp.

As an added bonus, the older groups tend to have organizational infrastructure in place that supplies a number sweet boons to members. Guides, buy/sell programs, skilling programs, PI co-ops, ship-replacement, election systems, accountability, clearly defined roles so you know who to talk to, diplomatic stability(or at least intentional instability), stress-tested system and plans, etc.

This is why I'm comfortable looking down my nose at new corps. Time, effort, and tears are utterly required to set up and settle these things in a functional manner. New groups do not have the time with which to have generated all that effort and drama-under-the-bridge that comes with all this.


Generally its very good to join a larger and older corp.

The benefits are listed above.

The only downside about joining such a corp is the 'feeling left out as the new guy' thing.
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