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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#1061 - 2013-12-06 22:04:11 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Even now it's obvious that domis will be better option for PVE.



I wouldn't fly a Domi if CCP took every other ship out of the game...I'd quit EVE before I ever fly that ugly ass POS.

The Nestor is fine if you don't suck and looks 10x times better than any Domi ever will.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1062 - 2013-12-06 22:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jasmine Assasin wrote:
marVLs wrote:
Even now it's obvious that domis will be better option for PVE.



I wouldn't fly a Domi if CCP took every other ship out of the game...I'd quit EVE before I ever fly that ugly ass POS.

The Nestor is fine if you don't suck and looks 10x times better than any Domi ever will.

I love my space tater, yeah, but it's ugly- the Nestor is a thing of beauty and i can't wait to fly it Big smile

Also, the Nestor and domi are very different- this ship will be very powerful itself!
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#1063 - 2013-12-06 22:16:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
Sorry but I'll NEVER fly a domi either, I LOVE my RS and I will LOVE this Nestor now too. Domi NEVER!
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#1064 - 2013-12-06 22:20:39 UTC
We arent balancing ships based on appearance
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1065 - 2013-12-06 22:21:26 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
We arent balancing ships based on appearance

Obviously P

A few of us are already happy with this now- I want it as it is and I'll be fine with that Big smile
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#1066 - 2013-12-06 22:25:10 UTC
I don't care what a ship looks like, only the Domi do I truely hate with a passion of a 1000 suns! The Nestor I think looks fine, could have been better, but CCP is Ice Landers, like they know what cool looks like haha jk
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1067 - 2013-12-06 22:29:45 UTC
I like the old Domi. One of the oldest battleships out there still serving.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."

Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#1068 - 2013-12-06 22:32:38 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
We arent balancing ships based on appearance


Didn't say we were, but I won't fly something regardless if it looks like ass to me.



Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1069 - 2013-12-06 22:33:12 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
I like the old Domi. One of the oldest battleships out there still serving.

Old Domi actually did look like a space tater Big smile
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1070 - 2013-12-06 22:33:58 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#1071 - 2013-12-06 22:35:45 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci,

You nerd haha


Kenshi Hanshin
WinterFel
RAZOR Alliance
#1072 - 2013-12-06 22:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenshi Hanshin
This puts the Rattlesnake and Domi completely out. Domi especially as it is a specialized drone boat. This has a larger drone bay and strong drone bonuses. Well, I guess I can be happy the Domi will be a hell lot cheaper!

500 Drone-m3. Really?! Whatever...at least I have to admit it looks good.
Brad314
Perkone
Caldari State
#1073 - 2013-12-06 22:37:58 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:




Sweet Zombie Jesus. I'd actually fly the Domi if I could get that paint job.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#1074 - 2013-12-06 22:39:09 UTC
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast
Kenshi Hanshin
WinterFel
RAZOR Alliance
#1075 - 2013-12-06 22:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenshi Hanshin
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast

Honestly, I am more pissed that he is adding stuff without finishing the balancing pass. Otherwise, it throws all the previous work into a bit of an awkward position.

Edit-Clarification: If you are balancing a game but part way through you decide to add a new *weapon* say that is undisputably better than everything else in the class. Now, what you have is what amounts to an OP weapon. It would be an outlier by a significant margin. That would be the case here.

The Nestor is undisputably the strongest drone-boat. In addition, it has a strong turret capability. Add to that it has logi and self-repair capabilities that no other ship can match. Lastly, it would be a strong scanning and site ship which would be just as at home in a PvP blob fleet.

I like them adding things to the game. However, there is also a standard of analysis that needs to be done. This ship is a glaring outlier. It is not really the time to be adding that to the game, especially at this juncture.
Jasmine Assasin
The Holy Rollers
#1076 - 2013-12-06 22:46:41 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast


If the whole point of tiericide is to broaden the appeal of underused ships and bring some long overdue balance to the game I'm not sure the RS really deserves to be left alone just because it has a tiny niche use used by a tiny portion of the overall EVE player base What?

It's just too damn cool for it to be so underused and cheap as it is now IMHO.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#1077 - 2013-12-06 22:47:44 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast


You can solo L5s in t1 bs
Onictus
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Horde
#1078 - 2013-12-06 22:54:48 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast


You can solo L5s in t1 bs


People say that crap, but personally I wouldn't try it, and I solo 10/10s occasionally.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1079 - 2013-12-06 23:01:59 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast


Marauders?
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#1080 - 2013-12-06 23:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
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Honestly, I am more pissed that he is adding stuff without finishing the balancing pass. Otherwise, it throws all the previous work into a bit of an awkward position.

Edit-Clarification: If you are balancing a game but part way through you decide to add a new *weapon* say that is undisputably better than everything else in the class. Now, what you have is what amounts to an OP weapon. It would be an outlier by a significant margin. That would be the case here.

The Nestor is undisputably the strongest drone-boat. In addition, it has a strong turret capability. Add to that it has logi and self-repair capabilities that no other ship can match. Lastly, it would be a strong scanning and site ship which would be just as at home in a PvP blob fleet.

I like them adding things to the game. However, there is also a standard of analysis that needs to be done. This ship is a glaring outlier. It is not really the time to be adding that to the game, especially at this juncture.


I won't say it's the strongest drone boat, it has some cool bonus, but the DPS it does will be around the same as a RS with the 4 launchers or a Domi. Also any ship can self repair, so no idea where you are going there. It's also common for ther RS and Domi to have remote repairers to help repair their drones. And lasers with only opitmal bonus really doesn't help it as much as you think it's going to. It also has damn low PG.

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If the whole point of tiericide is to broaden the appeal of underused ships and bring some long overdue balance to the game I'm not sure the RS really deserves to be left alone just because it has a tiny niche use used by a tiny portion of the overall EVE player base

It's just too damn cool for it to be so underused and cheap as it is now IMHO.


The Rattlesnake doesn't need a buff, and CCP pretty much said it won't be getting one. It can do over 1200DPS active fit, around the same half/half and over 1000 fully passive. It's also the only ship able to do 600 passive shield rep per sec. Doesn't need touched in anyway at all.

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You can solo L5s in t1 bs & Marauders?


Really, ok try to do ANY L5 where you get neuted, or any sanc, or 6 of 10 or up, tell me how it goes in a T1 BS or Marauder. A RS can passive tank like no other ship can, hints why it's able to do sites only carrier can. It also can solo officer spawn, which have got a ton harder lately.

Don't worry I have NO idea what i'm talking about, as I have done ALL of these in a RS and know with a active tank you are screwed in 95% of these sites.