Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Rise, why to stick up so many bonuses jsut to mak e RR useful? Why not use this opportunity to rebalance the remote repairier themselves. Increase their base range, while nerfign the range bonus on logistic ships?


When a module absolutely NEEDS a 100% bonus to be usable, then surely somethign is wrogn in the module, not in the ship.

You need to make the hull useful and competitive before you pile on the gimmick bonuses. No rational wh explorer is going to trade away 1.5b and a covert ops cloak for 300 extra dps. Especially when the stratios has very generous dps for its size.

Dangit! I missed the #1000th post.

For the 1008th post, I suggest adding a Smartbombing bonus to the ship. That is all.

So is that a yes to Smartbombing then?

Yeah, you are quite correct.
I took a look at an Armageddon, which has precisely the same base cap. (not sure on the recharge rate, but I assume it is close)

I filled the highs with 3 Large Solace reppers, and 4 Large T2 cap Transfers.
Assuming no cap modules in the mids or lows, and no other cap usage mods, the ship can run it's highs for about 3:40.
With 2 cap rechargers in the mids, it can run it's highs for about 5:20.I am sure that with a cap booster life is good, but I doubt a lot of group PvE appications want to be dependent on cap boosters.
You tack on an MwD, even when turned off, forget about any cap stability.

And that cap chain requirement means all your ships are within 9.8 km of each other.
And DPS with 2 Drone Damage mods and Garde II's only = 664 DPS.

An interesting logistics ship, but not sure it will be a popular as people want it to be, especially when they are running a couple billion. First day they will sell for at least 3 B, and might settle as low as 1.5 B, but I think people will realize they can get better bang for their buck elsewhere.

As a PvE DPS ship, 1028 with 3 Drone Damage mods and T2 Sentries, 5 T2 lasers with Imp Multi-Freq.
That won't cut it either, when compared to others BS platforms.
Same as a PvP ship, with that cost.

No, this ship is not going to make it to the top of the popularity list once people clue in.
Now, IF they added a covert cloak to it, then we would have a ship that the BlockOp's should be much more like.

Then again, given the knife that is coming to the pirate BS's, if the Vindi is any indication, this might be the best of the bunch

No offense, but this is wildly different from mine.

Also I made a point that the assignment of drones is rather controversial - without a cap on how many can be assigned to one pilot at least - from a gameplay point of view. But I heard there is a thread specificaly for that topic, so I won't go into this from here.

Buff scan res, it's terrible especially with RR bonus.
Give it high warp speed, at least 4AU
Give it bonuses for normal cloacking devices, like no penalty, no recalibration, buffed cloacking speed.

It drones not targeted by sleepers could be good, or something to make it worth in WH (well tbh nothing will make it usefeul in WH or LS/NULL, at least with that Rise position, for HS everything is better...)

Still does not change my statement that needing 3 different bonus to use a module and on other ship 2. means the module has a problem...

Let's get together and make Nestor pilots cry beautiful multicolour tears...

I actually can't wait to find a Nestor in a C1.

Which means the guy had to bring the blueprint, and build the thing in there :-)

(Heck there are some capital ships in C1's too).

But eitherway...

Slot Layout is fine (7/6/6).

It does not need a covops cloaking device. Its a T1 pirate battleship.

Black Ops is out also.
The skill requirements for doing a whole black ops option for it would cause a riot on people who want to fly it (because the majority would not be able to fly it, and would require upwards to 60 to 90 days of pure training for people to just get in it (why, the requirements for black ops is battleship 5 in your specific race, this would essentially require you to train two different races to battleship 5 just to get into it... that isn't including jump skills).

The idea of these new ships is that people can get in them. Going a black ops route basically landlocks over half the playerbase (including every black ops alt) from flying this ship if it goes that way.

On the capacitor life on this ship (which I believe somebody estimated at around 2 to 3 minutes or up to 5, depending on amount of reppers, skill, fittings etc.

1) I know it can be tweaked, but I think that this ship could utilize a cap transfer bonus. Yes it means this turns into a gang ship (which is a viable option).

2) I also think that this ship should not get a cap transfer bonus (agree and disagree), because then it would be solely relegated TO being a ship that requires a slew of guardians and other Nestor's around to function (you lose out of other ships that can support it because they cannot cap transfer efficiently enough to the Nestor to be functional).

It should be independent, but require a group. The group should support by defending it, not by giving it capacitor to function.
There should be another ship with that bonus though. I just don't believe it should be this specific ship (because by sole mentality of the player, if they see the cap transfer bonus, they'll solely believe that this ship cannot function without a sister ship near it).

Now if they add cap transfer bonuses to the Stratios and one other ship type (possibly the strategic cruisers when they do there rebalancing (Create fittings for the Strat cruisers to function as a support vessel similar to the Guardian/Oneiros/Scythe, etc) that might be an option. I would not want the Nestor to be totally cap stable without having to compromise its fitting requirements, but I wouldn't want this thing to be cap dead in 30 seconds either without having to fit billion dollar modules on it.

The capacitor testing would need to happen on SISI. That's later balancing though.