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Turk MacRumien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-06 16:21:04 UTC
Currently waiting on some T2 skills to finish up, so for now I'm looking for some raven l4 fits. Active, buffer, either works since I mostly want to see what people use before flying it. As well, is a mjd a good idea if I'm using cruise missiles?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2013-12-06 18:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
[Raven, cruise pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Field
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile x3000


Will permatank >666 omni dps and dish out almost 1000 dps with drones and all level 5 skills. Cap stable with rep or MWD and cap booster running. But not with MWD and repper. So you can tank for as long as you have cap booster charges. Use MWD to get to acceleration gates or other objectives.

With max skills Raven only has about 93km locking range, far shorter than your cruise missile range. So ti is tempting to fit that MJD. But most everything in a level 4 is going to be within 100km anyway. And MJD doesn't help you if you need to go 40km to reach that next accel gate.

I have used a slightly lesser fit to successfully clear AE 4 bonus room solo in one go, as well as Worlds Collide. With good skills T1 cruise missiles do do pretty good damage vs small and medium ships. So you may want to go with that instead of Fury. But I would recommend carrying some Precision ammo if you are using T2 launchers.

The faction hardeners are fairly cheap for the reduction in CPU usage. If you are using a PDS instead of CPU upgrade in that last low slot you will need the faction hardeners to get everything to fit. Otherwise, go with T2.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-06 18:33:35 UTC
MJD and sensor booster with cruise missiles allows you to bypass a lot of tanking requirements and NPC ewar pressure. The trade off is you lose DPS to waiting for flight time when you have to kill trigger spawns. If you are unsure of your skillpoints, this makes finishing the missions a cakewalk.

Fit:
- cruise launchers

- sensor booster / targeting range
- MJD
- tank

- 4x ballistic controls, upgrade to 3x faction and 1x t2 as you get isk
- utility (targeting range, damage control)

- 3x warhead rigor rigs

The rigs make the raven work, and MJD style is very safe.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-06 18:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Soldarius wrote:
[Raven, cruise pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Field
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile x3000


Will permatank >666 omni dps and dish out almost 1000 dps with drones and all level 5 skills. Cap stable with rep or MWD and cap booster running. But not with MWD and repper. So you can tank for as long as you have cap booster charges. Use MWD to get to acceleration gates or other objectives.

With max skills Raven only has about 93km locking range, far shorter than your cruise missile range. So ti is tempting to fit that MJD. But most everything in a level 4 is going to be within 100km anyway. And MJD doesn't help you if you need to go 40km to reach that next accel gate.

I have used a slightly lesser fit to successfully clear AE 4 bonus room solo in one go, as well as Worlds Collide. With good skills T1 cruise missiles do do pretty good damage vs small and medium ships. So you may want to go with that instead of Fury. But I would recommend carrying some Precision ammo if you are using T2 launchers.

The faction hardeners are fairly cheap for the reduction in CPU usage. If you are using a PDS instead of CPU upgrade in that last low slot you will need the faction hardeners to get everything to fit. Otherwise, go with T2.


Sorry to burst your bubble but the applied DPS is horrible without rigor rigs. The rest of the fit is quite good though.

MJD makes tank a non-factor and allows the 40km travel withour time loss as long as there is rats to shoot at during the cooldown periods. I recommend it especially if you want to be on the safe side to start off.

EDIT: to point out the DPS difference of triple rigor:

Using the fury missiles, launcher DPS on all V char with the 4 BCU II on the same raven moving at base speed (approximately NPC battleship) is:

554 with 3x CCC I
862 with 3x warhead rigor I

On all rats that are smaller than BS and/or move faster than ~120m/s, the DPS difference is even higher and rapidly growing in the favor of rigor rigs. I would argue from long experience the rigor raven finishes kill missions in half the time a CCC raven does.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2013-12-06 19:13:32 UTC
The Spod wrote:


Sorry to burst your bubble but the applied DPS is horrible without rigor rigs. The rest of the fit is quite good though.

MJD makes tank a non-factor and allows the 40km travel withour time loss as long as there is rats to shoot at during the cooldown periods. I recommend it especially if you want to be on the safe side to start off.

EDIT: to point out the DPS difference of triple rigor:

Using the fury missiles, launcher DPS on all V char with the 4 BCU II on the same raven moving at base speed (approximately NPC battleship) is:

554 with 3x CCC I
862 with 3x warhead rigor I

On all rats that are smaller than BS and/or move faster than ~120m/s, the DPS difference is even higher and rapidly growing in the favor of rigor rigs. I would argue from long experience the rigor raven finishes kill missions in half the time a CCC raven does.


My bubble is perfectly intact, thx. I've always made do with the CCC Raven because of the cap issues. But after throwing the rigor rigs into EFT and decyphering what you were trying to say, I can see the obvious difference. So I concede your point.

However, there is still a cap issue. To compensate I've chosen to remove the MWD and replace it with a MJD as you said. This gives 21'52" of cap with boosters running. But the 4th BCS II doesn't fit no matter what even when using CN BCS. The CPU upgrade is required.

I'll give your fit a go later tonight to get a better idea of how much of a difference there is.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-12-06 19:24:46 UTC
Cheers!

The MJD has its ups and downs, but in this case the range tank allows skimping on skill requirements, capacitor and tank with the expense of missile travel time that makes it a tad more tedious. Hopefully you find the rigor fit lovely.

Good point on the CPU tightness. The sensor booster alleviates it a bit, but the upgrade is pretty certainly needed.
Turk MacRumien
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-12-06 19:31:05 UTC
looks like a MJD is an increasingly good idea then. I'm inclined to go with rigor rigs to help make the cruises more effective against a wider variety of ships. But thanks for reminding me about cap boosters, I always forget about those damn things and then spend too much isk on cap control circuits and cap rechargers; now I've actually avoided that trap for once.

Another question, what sort of fitting skills are you guys assuming? Mine are middling -- 3-4 across the board, and no advanced upgrades (though that is on the short list)
Good Posting
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-12-06 19:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Good Posting
The Spod wrote:


Fit:
- cruise launchers

- sensor booster / targeting range
- MJD
- tank

- 4x ballistic controls, upgrade to 3x faction and 1x t2 as you get isk
- utility (targeting range, damage control)

- 3x warhead rigor rigs

The rigs make the raven work, and MJD style is very safe.


This is my pve raven fit and i can confirm that it works perfectly in any mission, epic arc... etc. I don't fit faction stuff tho.

Turk MacRumien wrote:
looks like a MJD is an increasingly good idea then. I'm inclined to go with rigor rigs to help make the cruises more effective against a wider variety of ships. But thanks for reminding me about cap boosters, I always forget about those damn things and then spend too much isk on cap control circuits and cap rechargers; now I've actually avoided that trap for once.

Another question, what sort of fitting skills are you guys assuming? Mine are middling -- 3-4 across the board, and no advanced upgrades (though that is on the short list)


Well, i don't know. I have all the fitting skills to V and i have enough powergrid left with that fit. The cpu, however, is a different thing.
Fit a cpu module in the lows if you need it and that's all.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-12-06 20:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Turk MacRumien wrote:
looks like a MJD is an increasingly good idea then. I'm inclined to go with rigor rigs to help make the cruises more effective against a wider variety of ships. But thanks for reminding me about cap boosters, I always forget about those damn things and then spend too much isk on cap control circuits and cap rechargers; now I've actually avoided that trap for once.

Another question, what sort of fitting skills are you guys assuming? Mine are middling -- 3-4 across the board, and no advanced upgrades (though that is on the short list)


I would start with fitting 3x BCU and 2x co-processor, then work up from that when your skills and routine improves. This would allow you to work fulltime on missile support skills and battleship V. Though, as a precaution I suggest you run L3 missions until the dps number for launchers is over 500 just to make it bearable.

Im guessing a lot now; start with getting all relevant skills to IV and t2 cruise launchers. Then work on missile support skills. Then finish the int-mem stuff while switching to CNR/golem.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-12-06 21:11:05 UTC
I made a very standard Raven fit I would consider the cookie cutter MJD setup for low skillpoint characters. This one uses a large shield booster to save on CPU, and MJD to engage at ranges over 100km. Lock range is 150km with max skills.

The shield boost amplifier II can be substituted with a heavy capacitor booster / cap booster 800 to save some skill training time; however I recommend an XL shield booster in that case.

[Raven, standard]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Large Micro Jump Drive
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-12-09 23:37:36 UTC
zaqq's raven fit is pretty good.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6YaOK3p-zs
Allko
Zero Tax services
#12 - 2013-12-10 07:56:41 UTC
I wonder what kind of missions are You guys talking about that would require a 100+ km lock range?
And MJD? To run away if it gets too hot or what?
IMO CNR bonuses is enough to make the cruises work well without rigs and with 7 mids and 5 lows you can fit cap stabile tank(with XL SB) and 4 BCU, that is close to max dmg that raven can deliver since 5th BCU makes no sence anymore.
I assume most of Your tragers are BS, BC and those fev frigs can be killed with drones.

But ... I could be wrong.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#13 - 2013-12-10 14:26:56 UTC
Best raven is fleet phoon. ;-)
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2013-12-11 14:34:53 UTC
Wanted to come back and say that I noticed a definite increase in applied dps vs smaller targets usig the rigors. But I ate a lot more cap boosters. Fortunately, meta 0 800s are cheap.

The mission I got was The Assault with Guristas rats. So it was a good test for range. Without a sebo to take advantage of the MJD range, I still had to run my tank a lot. Hence the cap booster consumption.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY