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Serious issue that does not need to be fixed AT ALL

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Mark Androcius
#1 - 2013-12-06 14:57:55 UTC
Ok, so in EVE, bigger ships, warp slower than smaller ships, this has to do with mass and this makes A LOT of sense.
However..... small issue.

The way a warp drive works is like this:
You create a bubble around your ship ( warp bubble ) and contract space in front of that bubble, while expanding it behind the bubble.

This means you move space itself and not the ship, ergo, your ship effectively stands still.
What that in turn means, is that the size or mass of your ship, has ZERO effect on your warp speed, since you are moving space, not the ship.

You could be forgiven for thinking that, because the ship is bigger, you need a bigger warp bubble and would therefore be slower, however, bigger ship, bigger warp engine, it's proportional, so technically speaking, it shouldn't matter.



So in reality ( if we ever do make warp-drive a reality ) a freighter is probably just as fast in terms of warp speed, as an interceptor, only the align speed is severely impacted with the increase in mass.


Don't get me wrong, i don't want anything to change in game, but i did feel like pointing out this flaw, if only for the fun of it.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#2 - 2013-12-06 15:03:30 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:


The way a warp drive works is like this:
You create a bubble around your ship ( warp bubble ) and contract space in front of that bubble, while expanding it behind the bubble.

And this fact about how the warp drive works in EvE is based on what documentation?

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-12-06 15:08:24 UTC
you forgot: the temporial diodes can cause an irreversible compounding flux gravitation field when a larger ship attempts to accelerate the power draw on the bilateral deuterium curvature calculations to compensate for the more massive catalystic transfer coils in the more powerful reactors

cosmoscience 101 duder, durr
Mark Androcius
#4 - 2013-12-06 15:09:38 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:


The way a warp drive works is like this:
You create a bubble around your ship ( warp bubble ) and contract space in front of that bubble, while expanding it behind the bubble.

And this fact about how the warp drive works in EvE is based on what documentation?



If i make a game about tables and chairs would i have to supply a definition of what a tables and chairs are?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2013-12-06 15:09:39 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:


The way a warp drive works is like this....

So in reality......

fun.....


Your family were in that Guristas Ferrier btw

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#6 - 2013-12-06 15:10:50 UTC
1.21 GIGAWATTS?!?

Not today spaghetti.

Mark Androcius
#7 - 2013-12-06 15:11:00 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
you forgot: the temporial diodes can cause an irreversible compounding flux gravitation field when a larger ship attempts to accelerate the power draw on the bilateral deuterium curvature calculations to compensate for the more massive catalystic transfer coils in the more powerful reactors

cosmoscience 101 duder, durr



Bolded out your mistake, the ship does not accelerate, it remains still ;)
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-12-06 15:11:05 UTC
Evelopedia wrote:
All space ships are equipped with a warp drive device. The warp drive creates depleted vacuum by repeatedly ‘compressing’ vacuum between two polar discs, draining all energy neutrons and quarks out of it. A laser-locked field is then created to hold the ever-increasing depleted vacuum bubble until it has enveloped the whole ship. When that happens the ship is able to enter FTL speed.


Quite literally 5 seconds of googling.

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Cagot
Zendian Solutions
#9 - 2013-12-06 15:11:51 UTC
I'm shocked - *shocked* - to learn that a game that treats inconvenient bits of real physics with elegant contempt also plays fast and loose with imaginary physics!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-06 15:12:01 UTC
DON'T ACCELERATE THE POWER DRAW THE BACKUP CIRCUITS CAN'T HANDLE IT
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-12-06 15:12:51 UTC
HE'S MAD, HE'LL KILL US ALL
Mark Androcius
#12 - 2013-12-06 15:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Androcius
Cagot wrote:
I'm shocked - *shocked* - to learn that a game that treats inconvenient bits of real physics with elegant contempt also plays fast and loose with imaginary physics!



WOW dude, while I am just making a little fun here, the statement you made goes a little to far.
Warp-drive has been proven possible and a working concept has been available for a few years now, only problem we have, is that we can't really supply the amount of power needed to get it to actually work :/
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#13 - 2013-12-06 15:18:33 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
you forgot: the temporial diodes can cause an irreversible compounding flux gravitation field when a larger ship attempts to accelerate the power draw on the bilateral deuterium curvature calculations to compensate for the more massive catalystic transfer coils in the more powerful reactors

cosmoscience 101 duder, durr



Bolded out your mistake, the ship does not accelerate, it remains still ;)


You're taking his quote out of context, therefore you are wrong. If you had read more closely, you would notice that he's not talking about accelerating the ship. He is talking about accelerating the power draw on the bilateral deuterium curvature calculations.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug

Wyrmlimion
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-12-06 15:18:54 UTC
So thats how a warp drive works?
I didnt know I was playing Star Trek Online...

Shocked
Cagot
Zendian Solutions
#15 - 2013-12-06 15:19:30 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Cagot wrote:
I'm shocked - *shocked* - to learn that a game that treats inconvenient bits of real physics with elegant contempt also plays fast and loose with imaginary physics!



WOW dude, while I am just making a little fun here, the statement you made goes a little to far.
Warp-drive has been proven possible and a working concept has been available for a few years now, only problem we have, is that we can really supply the amount of power needed to get it to actually work :/

Oh, sorry - I'll head back to Reading 101 to find out about the proven and working bit.

Just remembering that my moon hasn't moved a centimeter since I signed up in... what was it, 2005? And that my ship stops in space when I turn off the engines.
Notorious Fellon
#16 - 2013-12-06 15:20:17 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Cagot wrote:
I'm shocked - *shocked* - to learn that a game that treats inconvenient bits of real physics with elegant contempt also plays fast and loose with imaginary physics!



WOW dude, while I am just making a little fun here, the statement you made goes a little to far.
Warp-drive has been proven possible and a working concept has been available for a few years now, only problem we have, is that we can't really supply the amount of power needed to get it to actually work :/


The issue, OP is that you posted a musing and hoped for a fun conversation. GD is not about fun for most; it is about trolling and acting like a bunch of uncaged mental patients who want nothing more than to get a rise out of everyone around them. A select few others fancy themselves as "internet tough guys" and "know-it-alls" just looking for a reason to argue.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#17 - 2013-12-06 15:21:01 UTC
If you're talking about an Alcubierre drive, that's certainly /not/ what warp drive in Eve is.

You can tell by seeing what happens when you warp through a planet.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#18 - 2013-12-06 15:21:11 UTC
I always assumed the warp drive creates a depleted vacuum bubble around the ship that lifts off space time and skips over it like a water droplet on a hot plate with the Leidenfrost effect. And the bigger the bubble and greater the mass of it, the slower it skips along.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#19 - 2013-12-06 15:22:35 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:

Warp-drive has been proven possible and a working concept has been available for a few years now



This is what we call "lies" and "madeupium"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-12-06 15:22:39 UTC
Space is a liquid.
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