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Rocket Hawk (Now with Video!) :-)
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Da'iel Zehn
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#1 - 2013-12-04 16:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
I've decided after much tinkering that the Hawk is a rocket boat, plain and simple.

Edit 12/14/13: The rocket hawk in action. Video here. Big smile
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-12-04 17:31:29 UTC
Da'iel Zehn wrote:
I've decided after much tinkering that the Hawk is a rocket boat, plain and simple.

I would never have guessed that.
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
#3 - 2013-12-04 17:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
I came to this conclusion because even though I have max support skills etc, I can't utilize the ship's bonuses appropriately using light missiles due to CPU.

With rockets I can use all the slots and maximize the ship's bonuses and even have an autocannon for inside punches along with 4 rocket launchers.

It really needs more CPU as shield mods use so much.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#4 - 2013-12-04 19:43:58 UTC
You just need to spend more ISK to make the LML variant work.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2013-12-04 21:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Here's something I slapped together... probably not an optimal fit, but it's serviceable.

[Hawk, New Setup 1]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 25
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Stats (with level 5 skills):

- moves @ ~2200 m/sec
- capacitor power lasts ~2.5 minutes with everything on (cap stable @ ~65% with the warp disruptor off)
- has ~9000 ehp
- can repair ~130 dps
- deals ~140 dps @ at ~60km (~170 dps @ ~45km using Fury... ~120 dps @ ~30km using Precision)
- targeting range is ~55km

Other info:
- you can easily trade the ASB for a Target Painter or Web (for respectively better damage application or slowing down people who get too close).
- don't be afraid of using CPU and/or Powergrid mods. Sometimes it's worthwhile to "give up" a slot to fit something that's really useful. Be creative.

How did you Veterans start?
Black REiiGN
#6 - 2013-12-04 21:31:06 UTC
Might try that out, my hawk is collecting dust. Love my harpy though.
Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-12-05 06:24:08 UTC
CFC has/had a hawk fleet fit with light missiles.

As a solo/kite ship it needs a few fitting mods.

That asb fit isnt bad previously posted. I would say ideally this fit would be used close to the edge of point range and thus not take much damage from its targets of close range high dps fits.


I do like a asb brawling hawk with rockets though. I prefer a nuet to an unbonused gun but thats all preferance..


The hookbill runs into the same issues of needing some fitting mods to work as a LML platform.

Just remember when fit like that its all about holding range and pecking you target to death.
Da'iel Zehn
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#8 - 2013-12-05 13:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
This is my current rocket Hawk I use for PvE. I am still tinkering with it. I need some excitement in my life. Smile

Fit #1

4x Rocket Launcher II
150mm Light Auto Cannon I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Small Shield Booster II
1mn Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

2x Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Shield Resistances: EM 38.8 Therm 87.8 Kinetic 91.3 Explosive 69.4
Max Tank: 110 DPS
Effective HP: 7.93k
DPS: 140 (Scourge, Titanium Sabot)
Cap: 40s / 44s (without AB)
Speed: 924 m/s

Fit #2 (I think this one may be better considering capacitor)

4x Rocket Launcher II
150mm Light Auto Cannon I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
1mn Microwarpdrive II

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

2x Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Shield Resistances: EM 38.8 Therm 87.8 Kinetic 81.6 Explosive 69.4
Max Tank: 105 DPS
Effective HP: 8.07k
DPS: 140 (Scourge, Titanium Sabot)
Cap: 37s / 19m+ (without MWD)
Speed: 2205 m/s

Edit: added fit #2.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#9 - 2013-12-05 14:44:04 UTC
Da'iel Zehn wrote:
This is my current rocket Hawk I use for PvE. I am still tinkering with it. I need some excitement in my life. Smile

4x Rocket Launcher II
150mm Light Auto Cannon I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Small Shield Booster II
1mn Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

2x Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Shield Resistances: EM 38.8 Therm 87.8 Kinetic 91.3 Explosive 69.4
Max Tank: 110 DPS
Effective HP: 7.93k
DPS: 140 (Scourge, Titanium Sabot)
Cap: 40s (though only for all mods running together)
Speed: 924 m/s

I would suggest something like this:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61512-quot-Standard-quot-Dual-MASB-Hawk.html
Switch the lows for CoPro and BCU for more DPS, and if you want to use it in PvE you can switch the scram and web for more protection.
Believe me, it's worth a try. Cool
Da'iel Zehn
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#10 - 2013-12-05 14:56:43 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:

I would suggest something like this:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61512-quot-Standard-quot-Dual-MASB-Hawk.html
Switch the lows for CoPro and BCU for more DPS, and if you want to use it in PvE you can switch the scram and web for more protection.
Believe me, it's worth a try. Cool


Thank you! I'll check it out. Smile I started thinking about a PvP setup too.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2013-12-05 16:24:14 UTC
Real men fly active tanked light missile hawks.

If you got a bunch of friends, MSE+MASB leaves room for dps and heavy tackle.

Scrubs fly it with double-ASB and rockets, though that makes sense if you only engage other AB-frigates. 2 ASBs is pretty terrible outside of FW though.
StahlWaffe
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-12-05 16:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: StahlWaffe
Well, to keep it simple:

Yeah, Hawk is pretty good with rockets, and it usually takes 2 or more frigs to take on a Dual ASB rocket Hawk.

Then again, this is known inside of fw space by (most) people, so if they go for your hawk, prepare for an easy kill or getting ganked.

So, if you want to use it as a light missile ship, you have to know one thing: You're not very mobile. You're kind of pigeonholed into kinetic damage. I can see a Firetail killing a LML Hawk.


Not saying it's a bad ship, just that it will have issues. Surprising in the beginning, yes, probably killing off some good chunk of peeps, but once they get to know you and your hawk, you start being easy prey.



Edit: Maybe something like this....


[Hawk, Active]
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Domination Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell II




Requires Geno Core 1 & 2.

With a little more pimp (Coreli C-Type MWD + Dread Guristas Point) you get better cap.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-12-05 18:38:26 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Real men fly active tanked light missile hawks.

If you got a bunch of friends, MSE+MASB leaves room for dps and heavy tackle.

Scrubs fly it with double-ASB and rockets, though that makes sense if you only engage other AB-frigates. 2 ASBs is pretty terrible outside of FW though.


Everything is pretty terrible outside of FW. ;)

We got us all of the cool kids and cool ships, dontcha know.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Theroine
Pew Pew Pirates
#14 - 2013-12-06 07:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Theroine
Hrett wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Real men fly active tanked light missile hawks.

If you got a bunch of friends, MSE+MASB leaves room for dps and heavy tackle.

Scrubs fly it with double-ASB and rockets, though that makes sense if you only engage other AB-frigates. 2 ASBs is pretty terrible outside of FW though.


Everything is pretty terrible outside of FW. ;)

We got us all of the cool kids and cool ships, dontcha know.

I'm confused. Are we the scrubs in this story, or are we the cool kids? Are we cool scrubs? Can scrubs be cool? Do scrubs know they are scrubs?

Are we scrubs if we fly dual-ASB Hawks, or do we fly them because we are scrubs? Does being cool fit any where in there? Are people outside of FW who fly dual-ASB Hawks in FW space the scrubs? Are the people who fly the AB-frigates the scrubs?

Are we being trolled, with 'scrubs' being the bait? Can scrubs be trolled? If they can be trolled, are they aware they are being trolled? If they are aware, are they scrubs? Maybe enlightened scrubs? But wouldn't 'enlightened scrubs' be an oxymoron?

I'm confused, where was I. Oh yes, are we the scrubs in this story or are we the cool kids? Pirate

Join in on the pew
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2013-12-06 07:52:40 UTC
Theroine wrote:
I'm confused, where was I. Oh yes, are we the scrubs in this story or are we the cool kids? Pirate

Cool is cool except when it's not cool... in which case you are a scrub.

And you are scrub except when you are not a scrub... then you are cool.

EVE allows for both at the same time... just not at exactly at the same time.

Blink

How did you Veterans start?
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-12-06 08:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Odithia
What frigate would you recommend to beat a Hawk?
After running the numbers in EFT it's tank seems extremely tough with 2 MASB , worse than vengeance kind of tough (but less ehp).
With decent damage even an Enyo doesn't seem to be able to break it before breaking.

Is kitting the only answer?
Like Scorch punisher or 125mm Enyo.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#17 - 2013-12-06 09:47:42 UTC
Odithia wrote:
What frigate would you recommend to beat a Hawk?
After running the numbers in EFT it's tank seems extremely tough with 2 MSN, worse than vengeance kind of tough (but less ehp).
With decent damage even an Enyo doesn't seem to be able to break it before breaking.

Is kitting the only answer?
Like Scorch punisher or 125mm Enyo.


Vengeance with dual armor reps and a neut.
Wyte Ragnarok
#18 - 2013-12-06 10:42:03 UTC
Da'iel Zehn wrote:
I've decided after much tinkering that the Hawk is a rocket boat, plain and simple.


Really? I would have fit lasers. And an armour tank. With perhaps a Triage module.
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
#19 - 2013-12-12 14:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
I finally got some time to try out this fit for PvE:

Fit #2

4x Rocket Launcher II
150mm Light Auto Cannon I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
1mn Microwarpdrive II

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

2x Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Shield Resistances: EM 38.8 Therm 87.8 Kinetic 81.6 Explosive 69.4
Max Tank: 105 DPS
Effective HP: 8.07k
DPS: 140 (Scourge, Titanium Sabot)
Cap: 37s / 19m+ (without MWD)
Speed: 2205 m/s

Conclusion: Excellent! My rocket hawk tore through NPC ships like they were butter. That includes frigates, destroyers, and cruisers so far. I'm very happy. :-D

Note: At one point a Tengu came onto the field and started taking my kills. He had a hard time keeping up with my rocket hawk.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#20 - 2013-12-12 15:13:18 UTC
Try light missiles for PvE, they're faster than rockets.

Oh god.
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