Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again, why?

Giving a BS the ability to use a covert ops cloak is not op by the fact it can cloak and warp from a gatecamp. even if it did have a covert ops cloak itd get caught due to its poor agility. The issue with a BS having a covert ops cloak is its ability to deal very high degrees of DPS out of the black void of space in an instant without significant sacrifices (eg tank).

This ship would be a dominix with Abaddon resists, a covop cloaking device, with Sentry Drone damage, able to warp and engage at any range or platform.

I'd love for people to bring these out so we can kill them and laugh, but battleships inherently are not meant to be real solo beasts in pvp (ibet some pilots are very capable of doing that). It HAS to be vulnerable. It can't be used for complete independent exploration when we already have two other ships in the same line for doing that. We would be replicating what the Astero and Stratios already do, but slapping on a battleship hull, and giving it the potential to go wreck havoc across new eden.

Now would anybody be that psychotic to use a billion isk battleship like that. No.

Would it realistically wreck havoc across new eden. No.

We should not give them the option though. I want this ship to have the mobility needed to be useful, but not to be able to skulk in the shadows. I'd love to see this ship combat capable, and not relegated to running a gate camp to go hack a relic/data site.

We already have ships that do that, why make a battleship that can do that? Whats the real benefit?

We have enough cloaks. I don't see the real benefit or need for it. I'd love to hear the reason why besides (getting from point a to b in low/null). I just don't believe that eve needs a battleship for running relic/data/ghost sites. It does not fit, nor is it really needed.

Its a wasted skill for a battleship hull.

Whats the upgrade reason for an explorer to jump into a battleship capable of it?

and cheaper than these things. I'm getting 3000isk/LP for stratios this morning, and I have a reserve of LP back, you think I'll list a Nestor for less?

I won't, I'll just sell Stratios BPCs and make the isk there. Simply for the fact at today's market value you are talking 1.9 billion per BPC that isn't building the ship.

.......if it costs more than a CAPITAL I better get some bang for my buck.

First, can you comment on the expected pricetag of this? What does CCP feel like the price will be? I feel like this is a major tipping point. I might buy one of these if they are sub 500m. Over a bil though and there's so many better options.

Here's the problem I'm seeing with that statement above, the Gnosis may be all over the place but it's clear(ish) what it's role is. It's all over the place in that it has bonuses to every weapon type, but these are all damage bonuses, they affect the ships DPS.

The SOE Battleship is all over the place in an unclear and confusing way. It's bonuses don't compliment each other, and on top of that it's prohibitively expensive. You've taken a subcap hull, given it a capital hull price tag, and given it only half the bonuses it needs to do several jobs. I'm trying to think of an example to relate it to... it would be like giving that Gnosis a bonus to mining lasers. Sure it makes it able to do many things, but without the complimenting bonus of an ore bay or bigger cargohold nobody will use it for that because there isn't enough room to store the ore. You may not have chosen it over something else, but it makes no sense.

The same thing goes here. You've created a ship with the ability to hack and probe things, but nobody is going to use it for that. Why would I? Give me one good reason why I would use this ship for probing or hacking?
--If I'm near/in my home system I can use a T3, covert ops, or T2 Cruiser (just to name the obvious ones). Each of these has the bonuses and abilities to scan and hack sites, or cloak, or get in/out faster, OR a combination of all 3. Even if I end up needing a ship that can do both, but don't have one, I'm close to my home system. I can use one ship to hack then switch back to my scanning ship. Hell, I'll use a carrier, at least the loss will be cheaper.
--If I'm away from my home system... well, I'm just plain old not going to use it. It's a battleship, and a 2bil isk one (from estimates) on top of that. How fast do you think it's going to die to a gate camp or get caught in a bubble?
--If I'm in a group, again, why use it? I can bring along multiple ships that can do any one job better. A guardian with rep and range and signature bonuses that can lock ships in the time needed to rep them. A T3 that probably has better tank for cheaper (once you take into account sig size and speed). Another T3 fit for scanning/hacking, etc. Or, as others have pointed out, something like a rattlesnake gang. It may still be a slow battleship, but at least it's cheaper.

You've also created a ship that can heal things, but why would I use it for that? For the price tag I can use a triage carrier that gives much greater repping power, can lock faster, can't be jammed, etc. Or a guardian/onieros, which has the advantage of standoff distance, signature size, lower mass, faster lock time, etc and still reps a lot of damage. Maybe you can pair them up and spider tank, the range bonus might help, but at the end of the day I can take about 8x as many domi's for the price tag, or just a pair of slowcat carriers.

You've given it damage and tank bonuses, but again, better job at a lower price is available.

I disagree with the idea of just tossing in random bonuses to "give us options", it may as well be a jeopardy wheel if you're going to use that method. Give it a bonus to gas cloud harvesting!

This doesn't mean I disagree with a ship that is capable of doing a lot of things, but the second half of that statement says that it would be best at a few. As it stands I don't think this ship is best at anything, much less at a few, and again, pricetag.

IMO, if you're absolutely against a cov ops battleship, or a battleship that can use a cloak like a black ops battleship, and if the probing and hacking bonuses are just there to... well, be there... Then give it a longer rep range bonus (more than 100%), maybe dial back the rep power a bit, and create a battleship class logistics ship (Oh, you'll also have to fix the lock time, and still probably have to drop the price, and give it a remote energy bonus and... !@#$ it, this is what I meant, it only has half the bonuses needed to do any one job). Then you'll actually have a ship that's "best at a [something]". Maybe dial back the damage bonuses so it isn't OP. Honestly, if it could rep just equal to a guardian/onerios, not even better than one, it might be worth the pricetag because of it's larger tank. Probably not since even if all of the above were fixed it would still have a huge signature to shoot at, but just maybe.

Or as others have said, make it do ~something~ unique, let it be able to bridge to black ops cynos or something... idk. The common option among the EFT warriors here is that this ship is an expensive hanger decoration with it's current bonuses. Everyone is disagreeing on what it -should- be and what would make it worth taking out of the hanger for either pve or pvp. I've seen very few people disagree that it will just sit in hangers though.

yahh vulnerable with a mjd that goes off in 9secs and puts him 100km away. especially with spare highs capable of housing heavy neuts, able to shut down scrams + loads of mids for webs and scrams to pin down any tackle and more effectively apply DPS.

stop wasting peoples time.

yahh vulnerable with a mjd that goes off in 9secs and puts him 100km away. especially with spare highs capable of housing heavy neuts, able to shut down scrams + loads of mids for webs and scrams to pin down any tackle and more effectively apply DPS.

stop wasting peoples time.

This BS's are absurd. Have you ever heard of Ockham's razor?

If they are meant for pvp, they're too expensive for regular use. There are much better solutions tested by time. T3s are also expensive and are used widely but T3s are modular and can easily be "rebuilt" for very different purposes.

If they are meant for PvE, they're too expensive again and for the cases where you need such spider tank, carriers are a much better (and cheaper!!) solution. Damn, even 1.5b golem (same price niche) can have enough tank for the cases where a BS can be usable. Why new stupid BS?

If they're meant for exploration, mmm, woot? They're not agile enough, they can't use covert cloak. There are much better ships for that, after all.

Ockham's razor, damn it, "cut" (chop!) such stupid ideas with Ockham's razor!

That's why I said earlier that you generate ideas being high. Seriously.