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Gankfest
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-12-04 04:59:05 UTC
Should I keep my RLML or switch my stuffs for the LML... 40 sec CD vs. 10 sec is pretty simplistic on the decision at hand ? RLML takes to long to reload is what I feel...
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-12-04 05:17:41 UTC
On the other hand, RLMLs do cruiser level damage with frigate level hitting power.
So BEFORE you get into the 40 seconds of reload, you have about 50 seconds of burst damage.

If you can't kill a frigate in that time with them, you fail.
A caracal with RLML2s and 2 BCUs will do about 20k damage in that period of 50 seconds.. not many frigates can survive that.

This module is not designed to be used in PvE, it's aimed at Cruiser vs frigate PvP.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-04 05:32:38 UTC
Also...

Using the example of the Caracal, with five launcher hardpoints, who says you have to group five launchers together? You could have two groups, one of two and one of three. Start firing the one group 40 seconds before you start firing the other one, and voila, full-time dps with no reload break. Not all your dps all the time, but probably enough to keep an active tank frigate from repping too much before you finish your reload.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-04 05:38:59 UTC
"Fail" is not an adjective
Suicidal Blonde
Alchemical Aquisitions
#5 - 2013-12-04 06:44:55 UTC
Laserak wrote:
"Fail" is not an adjective


could be wrong but I think he's using it as a verb.
Old Phill
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-12-04 08:26:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also...

Using the example of the Caracal, with five launcher hardpoints, who says you have to group five launchers together? You could have two groups, one of two and one of three. Start firing the one group 40 seconds before you start firing the other one, and voila, full-time dps with no reload break. Not all your dps all the time, but probably enough to keep an active tank frigate from repping too much before you finish your reload.


i do this all the time in pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time
Cavalira
Habemus
#7 - 2013-12-04 08:33:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also...

Using the example of the Caracal, with five launcher hardpoints, who says you have to group five launchers together? You could have two groups, one of two and one of three. Start firing the one group 40 seconds before you start firing the other one, and voila, full-time dps with no reload break. Not all your dps all the time, but probably enough to keep an active tank frigate from repping too much before you finish your reload.


Hahahahahahahahah. God damn! Where do you roam?
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#8 - 2013-12-04 09:58:34 UTC
Confirmed every frig pilot will stay on field until hes dead rather than try to get out of your slow ass's point range and warp out.

RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#9 - 2013-12-04 10:01:57 UTC
Old Phill wrote:


i do pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


A bad workman blames his tool

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-04 10:12:03 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Old Phill wrote:


i do pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


A bad workman blames his tool


There are no bad workmen, only bad tools. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#11 - 2013-12-04 10:28:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Old Phill wrote:


i do pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


A bad workman blames his tool


Masters obsess over their tools and harass their students for buying cheap(poor quality) tools. So I see variants of this quote used way too often.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Tolum Vanmeer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-04 10:34:28 UTC
Yes 40sec waiting for reload sucks any fun away. I can't enjoy so I switched to LML/HML depending on the ship. CCP just did another half-thought change to the game.

A ship like Caracal for example. RLML will need reload on a lot of mission sites or player cruisers which is boring gameplay and people don't play games to get bored. Solution is switching to HML but no newb is going to have good enough skills or knowledge to efficiently shoot heavies at drones and frigates in missions.
The solution to extend the Caracal ship bonus to LML now that RLML got changed is extremely obvious. But CCP didn't have 1 person on their paycheck who can think. Someone has an idea in their head and because there is such a lack of ideas for updates, they just throw them in the game no matter how bad, untested or unfinished it is as long as it was cheap enough to change.

RLML and RHML are good if you can completely overpower your opponent but the moment you have to reload, any fun is gone.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#13 - 2013-12-04 10:42:43 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Old Phill wrote:


i do pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


A bad workman blames his tool


Masters obsess over their tools and harass their students for buying cheap(poor quality) tools. So I see variants of this quote used way too often.


You work for Toolmaster?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#14 - 2013-12-04 10:43:38 UTC
Every time I see someone defend the new rapid launchers I think to myself "there's somebody who hasn't actually used them".
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-12-04 10:44:12 UTC
Old Phill wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also...

Using the example of the Caracal, with five launcher hardpoints, who says you have to group five launchers together? You could have two groups, one of two and one of three. Start firing the one group 40 seconds before you start firing the other one, and voila, full-time dps with no reload break. Not all your dps all the time, but probably enough to keep an active tank frigate from repping too much before you finish your reload.


i do this all the time in pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


Then you're doing it wrong.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-04 10:46:15 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also...

Using the example of the Caracal, with five launcher hardpoints, who says you have to group five launchers together? You could have two groups, one of two and one of three. Start firing the one group 40 seconds before you start firing the other one, and voila, full-time dps with no reload break. Not all your dps all the time, but probably enough to keep an active tank frigate from repping too much before you finish your reload.


Hahahahahahahahah. God damn! Where do you roam?


Wouldn't you like to know?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-12-04 11:40:24 UTC
Tolum Vanmeer wrote:
Yes 40sec waiting for reload sucks any fun away. I can't enjoy so I switched to LML/HML depending on the ship. CCP just did another half-thought change to the game.

A ship like Caracal for example. RLML will need reload on a lot of mission sites or player cruisers which is boring gameplay and people don't play games to get bored. Solution is switching to HML but no newb is going to have good enough skills or knowledge to efficiently shoot heavies at drones and frigates in missions.
The solution to extend the Caracal ship bonus to LML now that RLML got changed is extremely obvious. But CCP didn't have 1 person on their paycheck who can think. Someone has an idea in their head and because there is such a lack of ideas for updates, they just throw them in the game no matter how bad, untested or unfinished it is as long as it was cheap enough to change.

RLML and RHML are good if you can completely overpower your opponent but the moment you have to reload, any fun is gone.


yes, the last statement is quote correct, that is exactly the intention of the changes made to the RMLs. It's a module aimed at PvP, not a module aimed at PvE.
Compare it to say the ASB. the ASB gives you a load of extra shield boosting until it runs out of charges, at that point it sucks your cap like nothing else, which means you can get 1 or 2 more cycles, then you HAVE to reload it for 60 seconds.

in PvE, you want a steady continuous DPS, not a frontloaded DPS monster like RMLs. As such, don't use them in PvE, but use them in PvP.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#18 - 2013-12-04 12:07:58 UTC
Improve RoF with reducing the duration by 50% and increase reload time to 60 seconds.
Bukkake mode activate!

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New Mining Mechanics
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2013-12-04 12:09:55 UTC
It's not 40-seconds of fail… it's FAIL if you even consider using the new RLMLs.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#20 - 2013-12-04 12:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Old Phill wrote:


i do pvp and you know what happens
I DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE every time


A bad workman blames his tool


Masters obsess over their tools and harass their students for buying cheap(poor quality) tools. So I see variants of this quote used way too often.


The point is, if a workman's tools are wrong, then it's his fault. You can't blame a tool, it is inanimate and insentient. Something can't be a tool's 'fault'. Hence the expression. The master obsesses over the state of his tools because if they should fail to do something adequately it is his fault.
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