EVE New Citizens Q&A

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You don't, only if you use the "must perma tank" nonsense. All you need is 3 cap related rigs and a cap booster. Being able to perma run is fine for people who aren't used to lvl 4s or BS but it should not be the starting point of a discussion, it's a crutch and only "defendable" for people who AFK a lot or are really new to the situation.


If we would do that then you have a point, but it's not stated anywhere that we should, so we won't. That would be the same as saying that the Apoc won't really work if your cap skills are all at lvl 3; technically correct but not part of the discussion. I will agree that this is the newbie section but then you could argue that newbies won't need BS info anyway. Actually, without having tested this, it might even be that if you forget about perma tanking the abaddon will still out outperform the Apoc on lower skills but not sure on that one, might have a good look at EFT in this regard.


Easy to use? yes.. but it's not fantastic. Assuming newer players who might not have their cap skils maxed combined with lower BS skill they'll have to "turtle" their fit to a point where its dps becomes really bad, resulting in taking much more damage and losing time. Once people are "freed" from the "must perma tank" doctrine the Abaddon starts to shine massively whereas the Apoc stays kinda exactly what it already was.


42% extra dps is hardly minor. Actually I'd argue that the Abaddon outperforms just about any other T1 ship and quite a few faction/marauders as well (with the EM/therm addendum ofcourse).


Where did I state that the Raven is better? And actually, if you want to use the "newbie" card the Raven IS easier to use due to no tracking issues, easier tanking and damage selection. Personally I HATE the damn ship and the "go Caldari for PVE" nonsense but the thing is that Caldari doesn't have much choice with T1 ships. Amarr does; Abaddon.


Here's how I see it:

The Abaddon, if fitted right, is more difficult to use in the way that you need to pay attention, but it pays for that by doing massively more dps at ranges you mostly see in PVE. And if you would get in trouble then mega pulses with MF, combined with Abaddon skills and two scripted TCs will fight you out of trouble better than any other ship, it's BRUTAL short range.

I'll gladly have more dps at ranges where it matters with (possibly) more tracking at the cost of having to pay more attention and not being able to hit outside of 75km (lets not forget that the Apoc might have targeting range issues further out).

Just to make it a bit less "he said, she said", here's the fit I use. Compare that to your Apoc, fit needs a PG implant but if you throw the "newer player" card then you can lose the AB in favour of something else.

[Abaddon, LVL 4 Sansha]
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

100MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

If you do missions for a Min NPC corp you'll run into Angels a lot. This is what you should know about them:

- Angels are weak to explosive and Kinetic but they resist EM and thermal. Result is that your lasers are going to "suck"
- Angels mostly do explosive and kinetic damage which means that armour tanking is going to "suck"
- Angels tend to close in fast and get into very short orbit

First two parts mean than an armour tanking, laser wielding ship is going to be absolutely crap at killing Angels. It's the exact opposite of what you want. Last bit means that you really need to be able to do high dps up close so if anything use an abbaddon.

But you really shouldn't do this, either choose to fly different ships or choose to use a different NPC corp. It's just not "smart" do do Min missions in a laser boat and the time you may gain from "keeping it easy and doing it anyway" will be easily lost because of your horrendous applied dps and tanking issues. Really, you should rethink this.

Realise that the faction you'll be fighting depends mostly on where the agent is, if it's a Minnie Agent in Amarr space you'll be fine so it depends if there's an option for that.

Let me try to convey the "issue" :)

You really, really, REALLY don't want to do Minnie missions in a typical Amarr ship, it's going to be bad. You can accept it would it happen on occasion and shrug it off but if you get angels 50+% of the time you'll hate every second of it.

So if you don't want to (or can't) move to Amarr space you have the following options:

- decide on another form of income than running missions (or ratting/exploration)
- choose to fly something other than Amarr, you're a young pilot so it's not like anything is set in stone yet (as if it ever would be)


I DO hope your friends conveyed this issue to you otherwise you should question their judgement. Normally I would even state that if you, as a newbie, join a corp who lives in space that's not beneficial to the ship race you fly the CEO should stress that problem before you join, otherwise he's clueless and/or an *******. A Simple "if you fly Amarr you're going to have serious issues doing missions around here" is enough, the rest is up to that newbie.

The other issue running a bank is that it gets too cumbersome and/or beyond your ability/capacity and/or you just get bored with it.

A lot of "scams" are just failed investments using the e-fame of the scam to save face.

Run a large Corp for a while. Run an alliance for a while. Then decide if you want to run a "bank" (something that has never been successfully done in Eve) with all of the long-term obligations it entails.

GL with your endeavors in Eve. Perhaps I'll see you out there sometime.

KB

If you're having fun and enjoying the game with your friends...then you're far from doomed.

If you let yourself get wrapped around all this min/max EFT ranger stuff, then yes...you're doomed.

This is EVE we're talking about. If you don't rip off the bank someone else will.

I'm Sorry - didn't notice you getting stuck.

On topic - it's been a while since I've run missions and all is fine as long as you enjoy it, but as others have pointed out, flying Missions vs Angels in Amarr Ships is not the best idea, due to their resistance-profile and yours (at least on T1, explosive and kinetic are your worst resists).

Also finding an Amarr Agent in Minmatar wouldn't solve your problem as a large portion of the agents mission pool will still be against Angels, since the enemy type is largely dependant on the region you fly in - the agents faction itself is only responsible for a minor fraction of missions, iirc (someone correct me if I'm wrong...).

Other than that, a HAM legion would be an alternative with excellent resists vs angels and free choice of damagetypes, but as it lacks range, you'll find yourself flying from ship to ship a lot - but I guess as you're really into lasers, that isn't an option anyway.

If it must be pulselasers, the least bad thing you could probably go for would be a Nighmare - thanks to its shieldtank, it's better suited vs angels. The other main advantage is its tracking bonus, which would allow you conflagration lenses that deal a higher percentage of thermal damage than all other types.
Whilst Thermal is still angels second best resist, it's usually 10% lower than EM. One of their downsides is a penalty on turret tracking and as angels are fairly fast and tend to orbit you close, you could run into problems tracking them using conflag in an unbonused ship, which shouldn't be a problem using a Nightmare.


Edit: I found some unidentifiable remains in a skin fold - guess that was you - deposited what they were worth in your wallet.

Welcome to Eve I'm the same as you from an aesthetic view point my Eve heart lies with Amarr ships...I love the Abaddon and it was the ship I trained for (even though I flew Coercers to Harbys) it was my long term goal....just be aware that even though you can skill for a ship relatively quickly if you're flying missions you may not be skilled to fully do it justice (for example I just trained Battleship to level 4 which made me cap stable to fit an extra T2 turret).......I'm now working backwards in wanting to fly smaller ships Strategic Cruiser for example....just be careful making that leap to level 4s fit your resists accordingly

Also use evemon as its a great tool for creating a skill plan to ge tthe best out of a ship (dont plan for Marauders though itll make you cry)....everything in Eve is time based pick the ship of your dreams plan for it but fly the ship below until youve ticked all the boxes that way you reduce the risk of losing your ship if you hit the wrong trigger in Blockade....

If you want a new corp there's plenty of good guys to fly with or you could come join us we have a laugh fly Incursions and Missions and have just started flying with a gang hunting pirates for giggles in low sec....a Imp Navy slicer is a very good scout ship reasonably priced and allows you to go ahead looking for the rum drinking eye patch wearing bad men

Good luck with the bank would be nice to have that facility but can't see it working the minute I hear investment opportunity on here I think Ponzi

Hey Roark, wish you well but as others have said - fair warning. EVE is a horrible, evil game, that will make you a bitter and angry person if you stick with it for a long time. The only thing that's keeping this character "good" is a commitment to an rp-ed reputation.

You might find that even if you want to keep your R BB character "clean", you will probably, at some point, get so angry that you splash out for another account on which you are able to spew your bitter bile and venom on the world of New Eden

meh some people play for the social aspects and to achieve something others play to run round treading on other folks sandcastles....