Intergalactic Summit

Believe it or not, a dictionary suffices for common discussion:
Social: "of or relating to society or its organization."
Society: "the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community."

Animals are not people and thus cannot organize in a society. This is unbelievably obvious despite your attempt to look for an elaborate definition of social so as to define your term outside of common language. This conversation has ceased to be useful or amusing. Have a good day.

Yet another place you have failed to do your research my friend. I and several of my fellow Agents live full time in WH space. I look forward to hopefully coming across one of your mining OPs.

Gallentean, your lack of capacity to learn and operate public-accessible information sources about usage or word is even more disturbing that your inefficient federal education.

"Animals are not people and thus cannot organize in a society"... you know, even pre-school kids in the State will laugh at you for such ridiculous and ignorant claim.I bet you haven't heard about social animals. And I bet you won't even try to find what does it mean, because gallentean heads can barely withstand bandwidth of skillbooks, completely unable to understand other information, coming at them, enjoying their ignorance.

Speaking about social animals, gallenteans are perfect example of this definition.

And all this shows once again, why it is simply better to shoot at gallenteans, instead of trying to talk with them.

I can't wait until he gets to the part about watery tarts throwing out swords.

Hmm concerning, insanity is becoming a more rampant issue as of late. I worry that this could be the foundation of some sort of epidemic.

I am not sure what hurts more, my head because of the stupid, or my lungs from the laughing. The goal is noble but our great visionary has absolutely no idea how many limitations and unprotected spots there are to his strategy. It's so flawed, it will only put his Horde members in a worse state than they already are.

Well, he hasn't hit a single one of my miners has he.... or any of my mining fleets that have pulled in some 2 billion ISK this week. I tip my hat to him. Oh, and hey, maybe one day you'll leave your station and actually do your own fighting instead of paying 3 billion ISK to a guy that you yourself said would work for anyone that paid well.

Haha. For future reference when I don't capitalize "order" I'm not referencing the whole New Order, just his weak little sub-sect. I don't even think that man even leaves his station, he just spends all his time watching his buddy Karak do all the work.

No worries, Capt Starfox, being in Afghanistan, I enjoy the occasional wall of text. Helps cut up the boring routine of the daily grind.

First the permits. I have no issue with this at all after looking into them. My only issue with the CODE as it stands now is the language regarding a "hierarchy" and the fact that it places miners at the bottom of this class system. This essentially places the worker class at the bottom. Something I can not agree with. This is actually some debate within the Syndicate at this time on whether we are going to simply adhere to the permit system to prevent any further issues in the future. I personally wanted to incorporate a couple of the New Order corps in my area into our alliance/nation with the purpose of instead of spending the 10m ISK on permits funding their knights. I was hoping to nullify the need for the hierarchy by replacing it with a horizontal system in which councils made up of knights, miners, industrialists, etc could "govern" their separate segments of the population whilst a High Council elected by these "sub" councils dealt with any issues that arose between the separate groups. I was, however, turned down because I was supposedly diluting the CODE (which I may have been). Had these corps elected to join my alliance/nation, the High Council would have drafted into the Common Law of New Huvilma the CODE as a framework for a myriad of aspects within the nation. I still may do this, as I do see the CODE as having merit, minus the hierarchy.

As for AFK mining and botting.... the Syndicate is actually extremely against botting and AFK mining (it doesn't produce efficiently and it is down right pointless in the grand scheme of things). This is why I wanted to bring the two aforementioned corps into the fold. Too many bots exist in New Eden, especially in our region. They cut into our production for profit and provide nothing to the overall meta-universe while also killing markets that otherwise could be shifted towards better purposes.

The final point I will reply to is your arguments regarding the vision of the Syndicate. Yes, it has been a flaw of communism, socialism, and all their forms that some work others leech. The same issue arises in capitalist societies, wherein the wealthy leech and those on welfare leech. I plan to solve this by instituting an accounting measure that truly brings the "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" in line with "those who do not work, do not eat" philosophy. Equality is inherent, but leeching being from the top or the bottom is by definition trying to place one above another. No one can be allowed to steal the equal rights of another. The Common Law and Social Contract will both reflect this concept in both spirit and word.

As for the scam.... that was more meta than in game. I wanted to show from an outside frame of reference that the capitalist ideology leads some to commit crimes/scams because money is the basis by which we currently measure success and worth. The scam itself was simple: pay this the war ends, pay this next amount and we will return any ships lost during the war. I paid said amounts, then magically Black's connection dropped. She then returned and said she never received the second amount for the ships and moved to try and get the full amount a second time. By this point, I had already proven my point for this level of the meta-experiment so I didn't continue forward. Simple scam really, and likely quite effective (even if you aren't purposely dumping ISK into an experiment for a dissertation that will be written a couple years from now).

I think you may have merged a couple ideas/statements from NO together. Think of miners being at the bottom more of in the sense that that's where it all starts. The ships, the modules all starts from mining. This is also where PvP starts from as well... to a degree. If you were to attack a Corp, how would you begin your campaign? You would sever their production and ISK faucets (whatever it may be). But let's look at production. This starts with mining, so you make mining impossible for your enemy. And, depending on their wallet that might cause serious problems, or they might laugh at you and buy the ships/mods needed. Regardless, you move on from there.

Now let's compare the two types of miners. You have carebears who -more often- mine/mission/"gather" for themselves, don't understand game mechanics and when something goes wrong they blame everyone else around them demanding for a safer High-sec/theme-park based Eve. You have miners who mine to help support their Corp/Alliance in PvP. And you have a combination of the two. What NO stands more against are the miners who don't understand game mechanics, put forth little to no effort to expand their knowledge of Eve and who cry bloody murder when a "pirate" uses game mechanics to "exploit" said miner. This also goes for mission runners as well.

The first and easiest step as a miner to join NO is to buy a permit. If you wanted to take it further and scout for NO, build ships for NO, gank with NO, get to know some of the people, etc., that can be arranged. If you wanted to take it further than that.. just like any relationship.. we're going to have to do some foreplay first to see if we're a good fit for one another. I'm not talking about joining CODE. more of the coalition aspect of NO. Talk to the Agents/Knights, odds are you'll see that they're not so bad and actually quite friendly.




I kind of figured that's what you were going to say, it makes the most sense. You absolutely have to regulate the amount of rewards given dependent on those who helped more vs. those who didn't.



Alright, yeah I'd say some capsuleers, probably most would commit crimes/scams (more of scams) to gain more ISK. This isn't anything new though. I'm at a bit of a loss with this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you wanted to prove that players would commit scams to increase ISK value, thus proving that most players are driven by ISK/money values by being scammed yourself? You know, I see the genuineness of you what you were trying to do, just was unnecessary and you didn't have to get scammed to make your point.