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Something I've been wondering for a while

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-12-03 22:58:31 UTC
Why DO sentries move at 1 m/s?

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Nicholas Sirens
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#2 - 2013-12-03 22:59:44 UTC
They are just trolllllllolololololing around....

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2013-12-03 23:00:18 UTC
Didn't they always do this?

I'd speculate it's because to dock and undock the drones need a not zero speed stat.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-03 23:01:03 UTC
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5 - 2013-12-03 23:03:20 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Didn't they always do this?

I'd speculate it's because to dock and undock the drones need a not zero speed stat.


This is what I have always assumed as well. Mostly because the only other mechanism to get them into the dronebay is to "scoop" them, which seems to be a separate action than the return command.

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#6 - 2013-12-03 23:05:14 UTC
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#7 - 2013-12-03 23:31:39 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Didn't they always do this?

I'd speculate it's because to dock and undock the drones need a not zero speed stat.

Or that some calculations doesn't (always) work (correctly) without a known motion vector.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#8 - 2013-12-04 00:24:30 UTC
Without moving, they would not be pointing toward their target as they should be, and it would just look awful? Drones don't have swiveling turret graphics.

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Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2013-12-04 00:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
There was just a thread about this

I would theorize it is similar to the same reason you need to be moving for the MJD to work.

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Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-04 00:52:02 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Without moving, they would not be pointing toward their target as they should be, and it would just look awful? Drones don't have swiveling turret graphics.



That's my understanding of it as well.

I know it is not as simple as it seems... but I wanna know why it would be hard for CCP to just put turrets on drones? I am guessing their models are just too small or something.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#11 - 2013-12-04 01:01:41 UTC
Darth Peaches wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Without moving, they would not be pointing toward their target as they should be, and it would just look awful? Drones don't have swiveling turret graphics.



That's my understanding of it as well.

I know it is not as simple as it seems... but I wanna know why it would be hard for CCP to just put turrets on drones? I am guessing their models are just too small or something.


The sentry drone is just a weapon, effectively the whole thing is the turret, it's a wonderful simplicity
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#12 - 2013-12-04 01:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Darth Peaches wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Without moving, they would not be pointing toward their target as they should be, and it would just look awful? Drones don't have swiveling turret graphics.



That's my understanding of it as well.

I know it is not as simple as it seems... but I wanna know why it would be hard for CCP to just put turrets on drones? I am guessing their models are just too small or something.


Might be because of server load in big battles. Imagine 5 drones, each with 2 little turrets, now multiply by a few hundred to (in the really big battles) a few thousands.
I can hear the serverhamsters screaming for mercy already.... They already do that with normal drones deployed, so no need to pester the poor serverhamsters even more!

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-12-04 01:03:32 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Darth Peaches wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Without moving, they would not be pointing toward their target as they should be, and it would just look awful? Drones don't have swiveling turret graphics.



That's my understanding of it as well.

I know it is not as simple as it seems... but I wanna know why it would be hard for CCP to just put turrets on drones? I am guessing their models are just too small or something.


Might be because of server load in big battles. Imagine 5 drones, each with 2 little turrets, now multiply by a few hundred to (in the really big battles) a few thousands. I can hear the serverhamsters screaming for mercy already.... They already do that with normal drones deployed, so no need to pester the poor serverhamsters even more!

It wouldn't be any different server-side than it is now.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding that graphics aren't done by the servers, at all?

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ISD Alliance
#14 - 2013-12-04 15:41:19 UTC
Darth Peaches wrote:
but I wanna know why it would be hard for CCP to just put turrets on drones? I am guessing their models are just too small or something.

That's probably it. Drones are tiny compared to the caliber guns they are equivalent to. In addition, remember that whenever you add one turret hardpoint to a ship/model, you need to add another, since just one hardpoint has no way of covering the full spherical field of fire around the ship/model. There are few drones that have enough room / appropriate geometry for fitting two turrets.

Also, remember that drones have built in "guns" into their model, and they actually fire from those guns. It's like the old Drake with its built-in missile launcher models. Unfortunately, all drones except the sentry drones generally aren't heading towards (and thus pointing at) their target, and you end up with weird instances where the drones fire physics-defying shots perpendicular to their gun barrels.

Drones are the only weapon system that has not undergone shiny-ification in the latest few years. I hope they'll see some of that soon.

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