Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Posted this on the eve subreddit a while back and it got some support, was told to bring it up here.

First off, let me start by saying that this *only* effects people who choose to warp to a FW plex and activate the gate. This doesn't apply to all of low sec.

The issue: neutral pirates jump in to your plex. They're there to fight you plain and simple. If you shoot first you take a sec-status hit because current mechanics interpret this as an act of aggression. If you wait until they shoot first you've given up the high ground, letting them dictate the range / terms of the engagement.

Proposed solution: upon activation of a FW gate limited engagement (or some other type of timer, but one that works like a LE timer) is created between the non-FW players that activate the gate and anyone inside the PLEX. This allows milita to engage hostiles just like they were enemy militia.

Justification: FW is supposed to be a warzone, and plexes are secluded military bases inside that warzone. Why should capsuleers that sign up to defend these plexes take a sec hit for doing exactly what their factions have asked them to do?

Issues:

#1 "what if someone who's not a pirate hits the gate, why should they get shot at for free?"

-The solution to that problem is a pop up along the lines of "Warning: Concord has declared the following zone an active war zone. Enter this region at your own risk" with a "do not show me this again" check box ala low-sec.

#2 "If they're pirates you can shoot them anyways"

-this is not always true, I've personally taken several sec status hits because of this.

#3 "Sec status is dumb anyways, and you're dumb for caring"

-fine, but this isn't a debate about the merits of sec status/being able to enter hi-sec. The question is "why is it logical to penalize players for engaging in combat inside a milita compound?" Because sec status hits are just that, a *penalty*.

#4 "You just want to reduce the consequences/are risk-averse"

-Wrong, I want to fight people without illogical consequences. Remember, LE timers are a two-way street. This also lets pirates engage militia inside a PLEX without a sec status hit (for better or for worse). It's my opinion that the current sec status system works great for normal aggression senarios in low sec, but I think milita compounds/capture points deserve to be treated differently.

Thoughts?

Would you mind sharing where else this is an issue?

Perhaps this band-aid could grow into a patch.

Shoot first. If they're not blue, they're not there to make nice.

The less you care about your sec status, the happier you'll be.

So #3 then.

No, this is EVE-O, where discussion of change has always been either "whining" or "crying."

The idea has no merits. FW complexes are not special snowflakes that allow you to be immune to sec status hits for firing first at a neutral, nor should they be. If you don't want to fight, warp out.

If that pirate warps into a Plex, Anomaly, data/relic site, or perhaps even your mission?

The truth is, you can shoot first. If they aren't prirate, you take a sec hit. If they are pirate, you can legally engage them. There is a price for shooting first, and I don't see why it should go away!

I think a better idea would be for nobody to take a sec hit for fighting inside a fw plex.

Eve is about choices and the consequences of those choices, he is trying to propose a mechanic that circumvents a core aspect of the game, that is why he is getting flamed for his idea.

His proposal is no different than those that propose changes to hi-sec mechanics, so that they can be "safe".

FW has tons of "consequences". This is about removing unnecessary barriers to PVP, something "pirates" should applaud.

sounds good but i have a problem with it.. more so tied to Local and its FREE INTEL!.. where if some one goes "limited engagment" in local people will zerg to the plex's to try get the kill this can be both good and bad, im sure people can work out why i guess.

for this to be implemented id suggest the local list to be removed or on a Semi-Wormhole like list where 2 things happen..

#1 if you speak in local you pop up immediatly. ( or perhaps time delayed for list)

#2 time delay on showing up in local (even if you dont speak in local) so if your there after timer hits 5 minutes itll put you on the list.

#3 cloak , #1 will still count but useing cloak adds extra minutes giving "local list immunity" for like an additional 5 to 10 minutes (effective total of 10-15 minutes befor showing up on local)



.finally. no i havnt figured out how to "fix" the issue with afk cloakers..Yet :P