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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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MinutemanKirk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-12-03 17:26:05 UTC
If it's supposed to be an "aid" ship I don't see how giving it a turret bonus fits that role....
I'd suggest swapping it for the Remote Repair Range Bonus mentioned in previous posts.
W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#42 - 2013-12-03 17:28:31 UTC
75mm scanres (did i read that right?) will not be ideal for any logi purposes either. Not saying it's unusual for a BS, but you don't tend to use BSs for logi. Making it a bit high for a BS, so sebos boost it to more reasonable levels, would be good.

Shame no clone bay as well.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#43 - 2013-12-03 17:28:32 UTC
That is a very nice ship for wormhole PVE, gj.

Perhaps in 2015 we will get battleships designed for PVP.


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Destiny Calling
North Eastern Swat
#44 - 2013-12-03 17:29:26 UTC
I had a bit of hope for this new ship but lol ~ccp~.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#45 - 2013-12-03 17:29:57 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.


The range bonus in general is good because it means if this (rather low-mass) ship gets bumped it will have more range as a safety net when spider tanking. The amount bonus is also good. If anything, I'd say drop the probing bonuses in favor of the RR range; explorers and wormholers who are even considering hopping into this thing will likely have solid probing skills anyway, and with a relatively slow warp speed/acceleration I definitely can't imagine it being effective for combat probing and tackling.

Just my 0.02 ISK Lol

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#46 - 2013-12-03 17:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
well like i said in a previous post with the amount bonus they will be able to outrep logi cruisers which seems a bad thing too me..
so range instead of amount keeps logi cruisers able to compete with amounts at least.

also the range will allow them to rep smaller ships instead of uber spider bs tanking which is what this will result in otherwise

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#47 - 2013-12-03 17:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Its an updated Oneiros, flashier, more expensive, bigger "BOOM".

This thing will cost roughly 6 to 800 million isk for a few months at least.

May or maynot be worth it :-0

Scratch that. This is what the dominix should have been.

6 lows, armor resists per level... things a monster.

Kind of like a mix between the Abaddon and the Dominix. Good blend, good design.

The price though.. yeek

Yaay!!!!
DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#48 - 2013-12-03 17:32:59 UTC
Quote:

Nestor
1,000,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK


Seriously?
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2013-12-03 17:34:27 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:
Quote:

Nestor
1,000,000 LP
100,000,000 ISK


Seriously?


This is the same markup in high-sec that the Stratios and Astero get.

@ccp_rise
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-03 17:35:29 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
We can certainly discuss this amount vs range thing. Can you guys help me out saying specifically in relation to it:

Do you feel you need added range to be able to run PVE content, or just to PVP, or both?
Are you asking for bonus to amount AND bonus to range or bonus to range INSTEAD of amount?

Not sure when it gets to sisi but there will be plenty of time before release to play with it.


Having a range bonus for it supporting t3s in pve would allow more freedom to the t3s than simply anchoring up.

For pvp it would be better to allow some maneuverability to the fleet than simple rep it more. I'd imagine people using it like a carrier.

And I think people would prefer range over amount, but I'm also not involved much in logi circles.

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Naomi Anthar
#51 - 2013-12-03 17:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Anthar
Basically it means rattler will get some DECENT BUFF - since i cannot see why you would take rattle over this one.
Because it shield tanks ? Most of the time its good to be armor tanked at BS level.


And stop with those stupid ideas of another role bonus.

Ship already got Virus Strenght , Scan bonus (huge one) , Energry turrets optimal range, rep amount bonus

Yes that is total 4 role bonuses compared to standard 1 bonus for navy/pirate ships.

And you want what ? 5th bonus aswell ? Just ... just stop.

It's already rattler V2 ... no need to **** on poor Guristas BS anymore.
Destiny Calling
North Eastern Swat
#52 - 2013-12-03 17:37:01 UTC
<%penifSMASH> these are armor rattlesnakes

>_>
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-12-03 17:38:58 UTC
My 2 cts.:


Remove

Quote:

+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers


because, really.. who runs data sites in a faction battleship

and swap it for some decent remote rep range..
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#54 - 2013-12-03 17:40:52 UTC
1,000,000 LP and 100m ISK is a bit excessive when Nestor doesn't come with anything special for its battleship class. So far it looks like a bigger and slower Stratios with a repair bonus (and new hull desing). I was hoping for a medical bay or some other mildly crazy stuff, this is just a putting Stratios (scaled) numbers on a different hull. Not amused.


Low mass and repair ability will affect only very small amount of people who are looking forward to this ship (the whole population of EVE). Nestor should be the prime battleship of exploration across the whole cluster, not just something only considered good for wormhole space.

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Ptrum
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-12-03 17:41:07 UTC
Their go my dreams of a blops ship.
DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#56 - 2013-12-03 17:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DrunkenNinja
This amount of LP is just insane.
The ship will cost around the same as a Black Ops...

They are cute but I cant see it being used for pvp too much with this pricetag.


NinjaEdit: The others have a high pricetag but they are somewhat "affordable".
Gorski Car
#57 - 2013-12-03 17:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorski Car
meh.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#58 - 2013-12-03 17:45:13 UTC
Moneta Curran wrote:
My 2 cts.:


Remove

Quote:

+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers


because, really.. who runs data sites in a faction battleship

and swap it for some decent remote rep range..




Data sites in wormholes don't explode and nearly (or successfully) one-shot your cruiser.

Ghost sites, on the other hand...

The analysis ability is obviously designed so you can effectively run null/WH ghost sites with the benefit of battleship EHP to handle the massive explosion.
Narcotic Gryffin
Digital Mercenaries Inc.
#59 - 2013-12-03 17:46:17 UTC
I disagree with the people saying give it a range bonus to rep, thats what seperates it from the logis atm. Right now it looks like the whole intent is to spider rep other nearby battleships unless ccp had some other idea for how it was supposed to be used.

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Shinah Myst
Celestial Dragon
#60 - 2013-12-03 17:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Shinah Myst
So... not only CCP yet again failed to produce a coherent line of ships, but at the same time managed to boost the single most boring fleet doctrine (w/o making it less boring). Why am I not surprised?

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