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Serenity sever, another "Rubicon" for EVE itself? sth u and ccp may never know.
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Family Meal
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-12-03 01:59:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Family Meal wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So, as much as the OP talked about botting and that's it not just prevalent there, but the norm. And how seemingly Serenity is not actually profitable, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that we should IP ban the entire country of China.

Nothing against it, but keep their bots out of my game, thank you very much.


IP ban the entire country of China,well, in fact, no use. Chinese can use VPN or some other ways to get a non-china IP, and VPN is very cheap, less then $10 a month.

Since Serenity is some kind of a "wallfire" and there are enough RMT demands, bots will stay there and earn "easy money".
And also, IP ban the China couldn't help to avoid bots from other places, espcially those chinese bots can use VPN as "Jumpbridge"
SO, I think the best way is Tranquility GMs pay more attention to RMT and bots, no matter where they come from


Ok, so because some will defeat it, and get in here to bot their little hearts out, that means we should just give up the ghost, and allow their culture's disgusting practices to fall on us like an avalanche?

No thanks. EVE has enough bots already. It's not a reason to give up a righteous battle just because you might not win.

Also, you've basically made an argument that you may not like the result of:

The Chinese are monstrously toxic gamers as a culture. They destroy everything they touch, the evidence of which is that they are destroying their own server as we speak.

You claim that, if we IP ban their country that some of them will find a way around it, and come here to ruin our game too.

So, the only result we can come to is that the United Nations should simply cut their country off from the rest of the internet. Sever the fiber lines that are outside their border. I mean, the DoD estimates that some 90% of all cyber crime comes from China all by itself. It's better for all involved that their vile behavior is confined to their own domain where they can only hurt one another.

Not that this is either feasible for CCP to undertake, nor will it ever occur. Just playing devil's advocate here.

But when you have a kid that won't play nice with the other kids, you put him in time out for a while.


Well, China is a permanent member of the un security council, so your suggestion will never become true.
And, if you don't like some "barbarians", you use the same savage and rough way to treat them, then you become another barbarian yourself.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#42 - 2013-12-03 02:03:14 UTC
Family Meal wrote:


Well, China is a permanent member of the un security council, so your suggestion will never become true.
And, if you don't like some "barbarians", you use the same savage and rough way to treat them, then you become another barbarian yourself.


At which point did I use that word?

And it's not savage or rough to give them a time out, if they can't play nice. I'd expect one coming down the pipe for the United States too were it not for having been given permission to do it by so much of Europe.

I am fully aware that it won't happen. I even mentioned that. More's the pity, though. It'd be kind of funny to send them back to the Stone Age for a little while.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#43 - 2013-12-03 02:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
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I haven't read anything so misinformed in a long time. Provide order? Toxic cultures? SOME types of corruption? Well, at least the Chinese PR machine is working. Have they released any new baby panda videos lately?

Let me find my little red book. MAO MAO MAO! (is that better?)



I've found that to criticise something you have to know a little about it.
If you don't, barking like an idiot doesn't help and doesn't invite a response.
Stick to talking about EvE, ok? I've seen you post before.You aren't ignorant about that.




I'll respond just so you can make another 50 cent replying with uneducated gibberish. Is eve played in Taiwan on the serenity server or are they allowed to congregate with the rest of us toxic individuals?

...and I'm fairly certain I know more about the situation than you since you didn't get the little red book reference and thought I was just barking some made up stuff. I'll go out on a limb and assume that information is blocked where you're posting from?


Yeah i got the little red book reference, like any schoolboy would. Sorry to see you're still burning from having your stupid pointed out.

edit:speeling

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#44 - 2013-12-03 02:29:10 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
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Subclass meaning a sub class of the main/parent class. The main class being Human. The subclass being Asian. (And the subsubclass being Chinese :p) I got a feeling you somehow took that as something negative lol, don't know why though.


It was used negatively. Wall in a whole race like a subclass?
There are no races or subclasses of human, unless you're posting from the 19th century. Their are ethnicities and local differences but the use of race is tendentious.

There's been a couple threads like this where some of us unfortunately use strong language backed up by no great amount of insight. China is another country, different does not equal bad.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Family Meal
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-12-03 02:31:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Family Meal wrote:


Well, China is a permanent member of the un security council, so your suggestion will never become true.
And, if you don't like some "barbarians", you use the same savage and rough way to treat them, then you become another barbarian yourself.


At which point did I use that word?

And it's not savage or rough to give them a time out, if they can't play nice. I'd expect one coming down the pipe for the United States too were it not for having been given permission to do it by so much of Europe.

I am fully aware that it won't happen. I even mentioned that. More's the pity, though. It'd be kind of funny to send them back to the Stone Age for a little while.


I'm sorry about that, I use a wrong exmple to explain.

Well, not all chineses are isk farmers or bots. If CCP ban all IP from China , that's still unfair.
And I think,any way, CCP is the authoritative judge. That's why I hope some developers may respond.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#46 - 2013-12-03 02:44:23 UTC
Family Meal wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Family Meal wrote:


Well, China is a permanent member of the un security council, so your suggestion will never become true.
And, if you don't like some "barbarians", you use the same savage and rough way to treat them, then you become another barbarian yourself.


At which point did I use that word?

And it's not savage or rough to give them a time out, if they can't play nice. I'd expect one coming down the pipe for the United States too were it not for having been given permission to do it by so much of Europe.

I am fully aware that it won't happen. I even mentioned that. More's the pity, though. It'd be kind of funny to send them back to the Stone Age for a little while.


I'm sorry about that, I use a wrong exmple to explain.

Well, not all chineses are isk farmers or bots. If CCP ban all IP from China , that's still unfair.
And I think,any way, CCP is the authoritative judge. That's why I hope some developers may respond.


Out of curiousity, respond to what? What are you asking for? Do you want the servers merged?

And no, I would view IP banning the Chinese as a neccessary step to maintain continuity of the game for everyone else. Much like League of Legends did the same thing when they were forced to acknowledge that they had an entire country of toxic players ruining the game for everyone else. They IP banned everyone from Brazil from the NA servers and gave them their own server.

If you can't play nice with the other kids, you go sit in the corner.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Family Meal
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-12-03 03:36:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Family Meal wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Family Meal wrote:


Well, China is a permanent member of the un security council, so your suggestion will never become true.
And, if you don't like some "barbarians", you use the same savage and rough way to treat them, then you become another barbarian yourself.


At which point did I use that word?

And it's not savage or rough to give them a time out, if they can't play nice. I'd expect one coming down the pipe for the United States too were it not for having been given permission to do it by so much of Europe.

I am fully aware that it won't happen. I even mentioned that. More's the pity, though. It'd be kind of funny to send them back to the Stone Age for a little while.


I'm sorry about that, I use a wrong exmple to explain.

Well, not all chineses are isk farmers or bots. If CCP ban all IP from China , that's still unfair.
And I think,any way, CCP is the authoritative judge. That's why I hope some developers may respond.


Out of curiousity, respond to what? What are you asking for? Do you want the servers merged?

And no, I would view IP banning the Chinese as a neccessary step to maintain continuity of the game for everyone else. Much like League of Legends did the same thing when they were forced to acknowledge that they had an entire country of toxic players ruining the game for everyone else. They IP banned everyone from Brazil from the NA servers and gave them their own server.

If you can't play nice with the other kids, you go sit in the corner.


Well, Serenity is already a "corner".
EVE is not like some traditional MMORPGs,there are more economic factors.So I use a lot of words to analyze why Serenity become a "firewall" although there is no IP banning in Tranquility. I think it's very amazing that, the ecnomics in the game could also affect real world: RMT and bots seems more likely to stay in the "corner",because there are more profits.
I care about, whether the rumor about " diplomatic cooperation project" is true. If it is true , two servers will never merge, and the "firewall" will be a very good defense forever. And, I think in a point of view, Serenity is really necessary, or as you said, a "corner". If the there are more and more profits in the corner, will the bots and RMT already in Tranquility even try to change the server? It would be a very interesting questio.
Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#48 - 2013-12-03 03:38:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you can't play nice with the other kids, you go sit in the corner.


what? I thought thats the whole point of the sandbox?

I hate your castle, I smash


@op, thank you for writing this, much appreciated
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#49 - 2013-12-03 03:54:21 UTC
Florian Bao wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

If you can't play nice with the other kids, you go sit in the corner.


what? I thought thats the whole point of the sandbox?

I hate your castle, I smash


@op, thank you for writing this, much appreciated


There is a difference between "blow up your in game stuff" and "hack the client and bot on a universal scale".

One is an acceptable type of player, and one is indicative of a gaming culture that needs to be excised. Which is why we ban players when they do things like that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-12-03 04:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
...

Subclass meaning a sub class of the main/parent class. The main class being Human. The subclass being Asian. (And the subsubclass being Chinese :p) I got a feeling you somehow took that as something negative lol, don't know why though.


It was used negatively. Wall in a whole race like a subclass?
There are no races or subclasses of human, unless you're posting from the 19th century. Their are ethnicities and local differences but the use of race is tendentious.

There's been a couple threads like this where some of us unfortunately use strong language backed up by no great amount of insight. China is another country, different does not equal bad.




I'm still trying to figure out how the US Government defines 'African-American" a term that by definition simply implies previous citizenship in an African state, is a race. and I am borderline offended that they use it exclusively for blacks, plenty fo friends in north and south africa that are white and have had their family living there for 400+ years.

then again, from what i've gathered the general US opinion of the entirety of africa is that it looks like some starving village in the backlands of Congo, which is like, only very small parts of africa.

then again, US is also the only place where "political correctness" can be rbought up in a conversation and actually be taken seriously

i guess the point im trying to make is, its forgivable if some people, especially americans, say their are "classes" of human, after all, its their education system doing it.
Anthony Blunt
Appenzeller Kantonal Bank
#51 - 2013-12-03 07:44:05 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:


i guess the point im trying to make is, its forgivable if some people, especially americans, say their are "classes" of human, after all, its their education system doing it.


The argument here is based on mixing language styles. In a mathematical/logical language style there are classes of people a class is simply a shared attribute, something I learned in my first school years. Once you start speaking political language class has a whole new set of meanings and in our modern understanding of these terms negative connotations. I would argue that these negative connotations is simply the upper / wealthy class convincing you that we live in an egalitarian society. "see, there are no classes no need for a class war".

If we have such misunderstandings based on variations of language usage, there seems little hope for cooperation between wildly divergent cultures.

may as well return to the semantics war now...

"if you're not having fun in a sandbox, it's not the Sands fault" Jenn aSide
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#52 - 2013-12-03 16:42:35 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
...

Subclass meaning a sub class of the main/parent class. The main class being Human. The subclass being Asian. (And the subsubclass being Chinese :p) I got a feeling you somehow took that as something negative lol, don't know why though.


It was used negatively. Wall in a whole race like a subclass?
There are no races or subclasses of human, unless you're posting from the 19th century.



...or from behind the great firewall in China. Their oppressive government is the thing creating a situation where their people are not allowed to join the rest of the world in the 21st century. I was merely pointing it out.

You can use all the word play you want. I'll use your first response to play:

"WOW WAY TO SEE THINGS FROM ONLY YOUR POINT OF VIEW."
(Who's point of view would I see it from?...your's?...the party line?)


"There's just not enough room for our toxic culture there."
(Toxic as in: They don't want their people getting ideas from international sources.)


" Confucian ideals"
(Yeah, lets just pay no attention to wiegers, Buddhists or any other ideals that go against the party being God)


" hold back innovation and cause some types of corruption"
(As in corruption runs rampant and is the norm rather than a rarity)


", but they provide order to a truly massive number of people"
(Provide order...another way of saying oppression to control the masses and avoid a revolt.)


" A people who had already experienced 5 centuries of war and chaos when your ancestors still didn't have writing. Or last names."
(There is very little connection between ancient China and modern day communist China.)


Subclass of humans indeed.
(Unless you are lucky enough to live in Hong Kong, Macau or escape to Taiwan)


Your turn...but I assume it'll just be a response along the lines of "you don't know what you're talking about" again. And if you wouldn't mind, please explain the little red book reference other than just saying you "get it" because at first I was just barking like an idiot. Did the supervisor prepare that response for you?
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