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CCP continues to ignore the plight of missile ships, such as the phoenix in pvp.

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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#41 - 2013-12-02 13:09:36 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:

She's not saying the list is fake, she's saying it's not indicative of general pvp preferences or ability.

Duh.


Exactly

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#42 - 2013-12-02 13:11:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:

She's not saying the list is fake, she's saying it's not indicative of general pvp preferences or ability.

Duh.


Exactly

I see what you did there...

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#43 - 2013-12-02 13:13:05 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
title clearly says the phoenix


Actually, it says " missile ships, such as the phoenix"

Not The Phoenix only

Not "ships like the Phoenix"

But "such as" ie Missile ships including the Phoenix

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Knights Armament
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2013-12-02 13:33:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
title clearly says the phoenix


Actually, it says " missile ships, such as the phoenix"

Not The Phoenix only

Not "ships like the Phoenix"

But "such as" ie Missile ships including the Phoenix


I believe you have something against Caldari, are you a Gallente pilot by chance?
Adamski flipflop
Trigger Warning.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2013-12-02 13:44:41 UTC
phoenixes get dat mad morale boost tho.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#46 - 2013-12-02 13:53:31 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
title clearly says the phoenix


Actually, it says " missile ships, such as the phoenix"

Not The Phoenix only

Not "ships like the Phoenix"

But "such as" ie Missile ships including the Phoenix


I believe you have something against Caldari, are you a Gallente pilot by chance?


??? No, I enjoy the company of my Caldari brethern.

And I fly Amarr when my Ashimmu is having a little sleep

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Chi Garu
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2013-12-02 14:50:31 UTC
OP posts a thread about missile weapons, rabble reads it as a buff caldari thread, go figure.
CannonFodder82
Dark EcheIon
#48 - 2013-12-02 14:58:00 UTC
i have a phoenix, SadsadfaceSad been deployed once wasted the poco tho so un win?

seriously id like it to be better, and caracals are ok at pvp vs frigs n ****. other than that i cant use my uber caldari skills PPP
Jamison
Southern Gothic
#49 - 2013-12-02 15:05:00 UTC
Majindoom Shi wrote:
The point is valid. Most people won't admit it. They don't want to use missiles so they ignore the fact. And raven doctrines are rare and may have just been a phase. Name me one class of ship where caldari is the favored for pvp.

T3? Nope teng us are good but not favored. Bc? Nope maybe only the crow would be favored in its class. Anything dread and above caldari is a joke and everyone knows it.


We use Naga's quiet often.
CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2013-12-02 15:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Rise
Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

@ccp_rise

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#51 - 2013-12-02 15:28:18 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.


LOL...missiles gained ground with the addition of RHML....LOL.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#52 - 2013-12-02 15:31:34 UTC
Chi Garu wrote:
OP posts a thread about missile weapons, rabble reads it as a buff caldari thread, go figure.


Could have something to do with the OP saying "buff or remove Caldari"

But maybe that means something else in your language

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#53 - 2013-12-02 15:33:14 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.


Just make the Phoenix OP for a few patches :).
Davon Mandra'thin
Consultech Intermediary Services
#54 - 2013-12-02 15:36:41 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.


LOL...missiles gained ground with the addition of RHML....LOL.


Tell us more about how being able to pump out 1000 DPS on a battleship with HEAVY MISSILES at 47kms is inconsequential.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#55 - 2013-12-02 15:38:21 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.


LOL...missiles gained ground with the addition of RHML....LOL.


Tell us more about how being able to pump out 1000 DPS on a battleship with HEAVY MISSILES at 47kms is inconsequential.


And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-12-02 15:45:39 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?


Post KMs and typed 'rekt' in local?

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.

Davon Mandra'thin
Consultech Intermediary Services
#57 - 2013-12-02 15:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


LOL...missiles gained ground with the addition of RHML....LOL.


Tell us more about how being able to pump out 1000 DPS on a battleship with HEAVY MISSILES at 47kms is inconsequential.


And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?


Reload times, really? Less than Arty, the same as Shield ASBs. You going to tell me both of those are inconsequential as well? You don't even need to reload when using them against small ships, they will be dead before you need to.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#58 - 2013-12-02 15:46:08 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?


Probably the same thing you do between the first shot and the last shot

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2013-12-02 15:46:44 UTC
Caldari Caps in general suffer not only from the fact that capital size missile are basically broken/worthless, but also from the lack of the shield equivalent to the slave set. Something that would have hopefully appeared in Rubicon, but it now seems as there will never be such a set.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#60 - 2013-12-02 15:52:18 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?


Reload times, really? Less than Arty, the same as Shield ASBs. You going to tell me both of those are inconsequential as well? You don't even need to reload when using them against small ships, they will be dead before you need to.


He, like the OP, seems to still live in the fantasy land that equates missiles with massively low DPS weapons.

I guess DPS has changed its meaning too

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann