Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Facepalm!
Do you even know what "percentage" is, and how it interacts with other mathematical variables/constants and with itself?

Also read damn ship info on some vindi. It says "10% bonus per level" how the F it goes to 30% at 5th level then? Or you implying that devs also suck at math?

Cost is not a balancing factor. Stop thinking that it is. It's getting damn annoying.

Nerf Apocalypse Navy Issue, it's superior to Apocalypse T1 in every possible way except the cost, which isn't a balancing factor. Same goes for just about every non-T1 ship in game.

Yeah cool, marauders got "re-balanced". More accurately completely redesigned, as they do not even slightly resemble what they were. With the history of balances already enacted, pirate ship are doomed to become either something entirely different from their current iteration or far less potent. yes some need some adjustment, but across the board changes are not required on ships that work well, and balanced.

By the way 90% web bonus doesn't come with the hull. It requires training a ship skill to 5. So if that is lost, then can i have my SP back please, because there is nothing you can replace it with in an ewar capacity that will work as well on that particular hull.

Besides, if they they are dropping hints of changing something as fundamental as the web bonus on the vindi, then God Only Knows what else they will do to it.

No official announcement has been made on this, so this is the time for voices of decent to stop this nonsense in its tracks.


So I will continue to request that Fozzie and Rise or anyone else please reconsider turning the Vindicator into a Prius, just because everyone want a damn Prius in every ship line.

Why does everything need to be constantly re-balanced? At some point a line has to be drawn, and a constant agreed upon. Otherwise we can never truly move forward.

I agree entirely with avoiding nerfing for nerfing sake, hence my stand. I do not believe there is a better balance to be achieved for the vindicator, and I would be very surprised if any change would be agreeable. As other, more eminent posters than myself (page 2 & 3) have pointed out, the history of balances leaves a lot to be desired from the imaginations of the balancers. That's why an actual nerf is expected. So i would rather stand up and try and put these guys off the radical changes they have in mind, than sit watching and relucantly accepting that this is something that is a fore-gone-conclusion.

Didn't say it needed to be. Merely acknowledging that everything has been, or is slated to be, as part of the tiericide plan. I've spent every post I've made in this thread supporting NOT changing the Vindi, daredevil, other good faction ships, and fixing the ones that need it. But, as you've agreed with by pointing out what I'm also agreeing with by pointing out, the history says everything will be rebalanced, if it hasn't already. That's all. Not suggesting going and rebalancing everything again lol.

Changing / removing bad mechanics is not the same as making everything the same.

Even if vindies only had 75% webs they would still slow things down about twice as much as any amount of normal webs.

The way stacking on webs works and generally how percentages work makes 90% webs ridiculously overpowered. What you have to consider is that its not just 30% better than a 60% web. A ship under a 60% web moves four times faster than one under a 90% webs.

And the difference becomes even greater if you start stacking them.

If it was so great they would not have changed?


Fact is that speed was binnary, you were full speed or standing still. That forced people to extremes on speed because if you were a tiny bit slower than your enemy, it would be the same as having zero speed.

It bluntly divided space in 2 completely different zones within 13 km and outside of that. A battleship could murder a frigate at close range easily, and that was not nice.

Was speciallynot fun when a rapier double webbed you at 80 km and you could move slower than a set of bouncers.

Let's just say the vindicator, vigilant, and daredevil are the top notch of the pirate ships. Instead of nerfing them leave them alone and bring the other pirate ships up to their level. The serpentis line of ships are easily beaten with any other ewar factor fix the ones that need it leave the others alone.

It's not a bad mechanic, it's necessary for the ship. It can murder from 0-15km. If you are outside that, you are safe. Web bonus holds its target, better than its targets web can slow it down, that is the vindi.

This isn't some massively overpowered bonus or ewar, and it is only on a tiny number of ships, that it suits. Nobody has ever heard of this bonus being overpowered before, WTF, I expected some sentry drone nerfd before any really really ridiculously stupid nerfs to vindi webs.

Again, you need to understand, 90% webs are only achieved with a lot of training. On a vindi, 1 90% web, frees up you mid slot, because if 90% web was not there, you would HAVE to 2 normal webs.

overpowered, lol, you guys are funny. funny and adorable. open your eyes and look at a real OP mechanic, not a 20km max range ewar. (cos we are not arguing over the non-90% web, range bonused ships, so lets not bring those into this.)