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Rubicon, New Eden and the Size of the Galaxy

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Rogue Lawyer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-01 19:26:24 UTC
Hi

So I have been wondering, the recent warp speed mechanics means that us primarily battleship pilots get to spin our camera around staring at the distance nebulae in space whilst waiting for our ships to arrive at the stargate and jump to the next system. A few expansions ago CCP added a feature where you could see in space your autopilot destination which was fairly cool.

It all got me thinking as to how big New Eden is, or more accurately how big it COULD be. At the present moment when someone mentions “New Eden” they refer to a cluster of systems that are interconnected via the jumpgate network. At the moment the current figures I could find are that New Eden is:

106 light years in length.
90 lights years in diameter.

Both of these figures are not only small they are tiny when looking at the grander scale of things and comparing them to other known Galaxies. The Milky way for instance is 100,000 light years in diameter, the M87 elliptical Galaxy is 980,000 light years in diameter and one of the largest known Galaxies the Hercules A is 1.5 million light years in diameter. But its worth remembering that again the term “New Eden” Applies to those systems that are interconnected via the stargate network. None the less it does appear to be a small Galaxy.

The Shape of New Eden.

They are currently five known shapes of Galaxies, Spiral, Elliptical, Lenticular,Irregular and Peculiar. The Evelopdia pages do not state which one of these is New Eden but having looked into it one could speculate via the process of elimination. .

A. The Evelopdia pages state that most neighbouring systems in New Eden are under a light year away from each other, which is fairly close when considering that in the current Milky way the nearest star system from the Solar System is Alpha Centauri which is 4.24 light years away. It is also thought of that Spiral Galaxies such as the Milky tend to be quite large and given the figures about New Eden as well as the map of the Galaxy as shown on the Eve website New Eden does not appear to be a Spiral Galaxy.

B.It is not a Peculiar as these type of Galaxies have had their shape distorted from interactions with other Galaxies. There is no known information of New Eden colliding with another Galaxy but it could be within close proximity to another Galaxy (read point E.).

C. I don’t think that New Eden is an Elliptical Galaxy as all indications suggest that it is a young Galaxy with stars still forming in many parts, an example in New Eden are the Vapor Sea, a crib of stars and a melting pot of gaseous clouds were new stars are being formed, albeit millions of years from full formation. Elliptical Galaxies tend to have very old stars, older than Spiral Galaxies.

D. Due to the close relation between Elliptical and Lenticular Galaxy I am inclined to rule out New Eden as a Lenticular class Galaxy. both tend to be very old Galaxy.


E. The final class of Galaxy which I am inclined to believe New Eden is an Irregular Galaxy, these Galaxies tend to have no particular shape to them. Further-more New Eden as it is currently know has a longer length than diameter in relation to light years, So is similar to NGC 1427A in shape and among other others such as the Sagittarius Galaxy and the Sculptor Galaxy all are dwarf Galaxies and Irregular in shape . Furthermore could New Eden be a Dwarf Galaxy? which could be one of many small Galaxies in a cluster? after all K-Space is only a few light years from New Eden. Could it be a dwarf Galaxy which is a companion of a larger Galaxy?

Hopefully Rubicon is the start of true exploration in the sense of the word. going where none have gone before and revealing to us a clear picture of New Eden. I am very excited about the future of Eve.

Anyway my speculative nonsense ends here.

Kind Regards.

Jered Hakaaros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-12-01 19:39:29 UTC
Thats a lot of thought! However, it has to be considered that 100x100 lightyears is by no means the size of the New Eden galaxy itself, those values merely mark the borders of the systems within the Stargate Network.

Compared to other known Stargate Networks such as Stargate (duh) and Mass Effect this is quite small. However, its still an impressive feat.
Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
#3 - 2013-12-01 19:41:40 UTC
I really like this type of lore speculation. Great post, sir Smile
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-12-01 20:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Your comparisons of stellar distances with our solar system only hold for this region of the galaxy. Stellar densities within a spiral galaxy increase as you move into the arms (stars don't move along with the arms, rather they move through the arms - the arms themselves are a sort of density wave and they don't actually rotate with the galaxy) and as you move inward.

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Iella Wesirri
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
#5 - 2013-12-01 21:15:40 UTC
I guess what you don't know, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that New Eden is part of a spiral galaxy. Namely, the milky way. It is not its own galaxy. Just another part of our own.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#6 - 2013-12-01 21:19:12 UTC
Rogue Lawyer wrote:
But its worth remembering that again the term “New Eden” Applies to those systems that are interconnected via the stargate network. None the less it does appear to be a small Galaxy.
But it's not. It's those systems that are interconnected via the stargate network.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2013-12-01 21:23:42 UTC
Iella Wesirri wrote:
I guess what you don't know, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that New Eden is part of a spiral galaxy. Namely, the milky way. It is not its own galaxy. Just another part of our own.

This.

I thought the lore was fairly clear on that point. It's a just dense star cluster, not a separate galaxy.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-01 21:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
No Nonsense here. Very Thoughtful genuine Speculations .Nothing but star stuff here. your are going places where no man has gone before. I share your passion of exploration as well. Eve Online It will have a future with more players such as yourself.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-12-02 04:23:42 UTC
... savours the irony that most of that space, however it's defined, is rarely populated to the point of making more space a necessity.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2013-12-02 04:57:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Iella Wesirri wrote:
I guess what you don't know, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that New Eden is part of a spiral galaxy. Namely, the milky way. It is not its own galaxy. Just another part of our own.

This.

I thought the lore was fairly clear on that point. It's a just dense star cluster, not a separate galaxy.

What I got from reading the lore is that the EVE gate was found on the outer edge of the Milky Way. Which would imply that it's not part of the Milky Way at all. Can you reference where the lore is clear that it is meant to be part of the Milky Way?
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-12-02 05:16:57 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZPCiqBLPM8

just sayin

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2013-12-02 05:26:09 UTC
Some things to consider...

- New Eden might actually be a globular cluster and not a galaxy at all (it would make sense given how close everything is to each other).
It could make sense because since we are inside the cluster we are not be able to see the whole thing as well as someone would from the outside. The Milky Way for example is poorly pictured for largely the same reason (we don't know if it is a Barred Spiral Galaxy, Grand Spiral Galaxy, or something else altogether).
As for the lore about us being a galaxy... it can be ret-con'ed (or even revealed through in-game developments).

- according to the lore... we can only build functioning stargates in certain systems where the conditions are "just right." That means there could be A LOT of other systems that we have not (or cannot) go to... and are thus not listed (or seen) on the in-game map.

How did you Veterans start?
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#13 - 2013-12-02 05:32:19 UTC
Pretty sure its leading up to Black Holes.
Gerald Sphinx
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-12-02 06:27:01 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Iella Wesirri wrote:
I guess what you don't know, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that New Eden is part of a spiral galaxy. Namely, the milky way. It is not its own galaxy. Just another part of our own.

This.

I thought the lore was fairly clear on that point. It's a just dense star cluster, not a separate galaxy.

What I got from reading the lore is that the EVE gate was found on the outer edge of the Milky Way. Which would imply that it's not part of the Milky Way at all. Can you reference where the lore is clear that it is meant to be part of the Milky Way?


That was my understanding too.

According to the lore, we left the Milky Way Galaxy a long ass time ago. Although we are technically in a cluster which can be part of a galaxy, that galaxy we are closest to is NOT the Milky Way.
Orravan
Anomalie
#15 - 2013-12-02 11:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Orravan
Iella Wesirri wrote:
I guess what you don't know, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that New Eden is part of a spiral galaxy. Namely, the milky way. It is not its own galaxy. Just another part of our own.

If I remember correctly, Mankind was struggling in internal warfares when the wormhole to New Eden opened, and it is not known if New Eden is in a different place or part of the Milky Way, but it definitively is only a small cluster of stars, not a galaxy on its own.

/edit, found it :
Quote:
Probes sent into the wormhole showed it was stable and it led to a solar system in an unknown galaxy. This could be a far-flung region of our own Milky Way galaxy, or a galaxy at the other side of the universe, or even another dimension or parallel universe.

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Rogue Lawyer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-02 16:15:32 UTC
Thanks for all the replies folks, having gone through the Evelopdia I couldn't find any mention of the Sol System so I assumed New Eden was a different Galaxy all together. Its all good though.


Kind Regards.
CCP Falcon
#17 - 2013-12-02 16:34:22 UTC
I'm going to move this to EVE Fiction, as that's where it belongs.

You should check out EVE Source, which is coming in 2014, as it'll shed a lot of light on New Eden in terms of the make up of the empires, population distribution, and the scale of the cluster.

Maybe there's also an easter egg or two in it.... Blink

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-12-02 17:08:23 UTC
I've always figured that New Eden was a stellar nursery, a cluster of star-birthing nebulae isolated from the rest of the galaxy by a band of deadspace much too wide to be warped across.

I mean, it's pretty abundant in nebulae. The Lonetrek Nebula, the Laison Nebula, the Genesis Cloud, the Molden Nebula, the Jove Nebula, the Cloud Ring, the Pool of Radiance... that many features in so (relatively) small a volume of space implies that New Eden is a gravity well which large volumes of interstellar gas and dust fell into over the millennia, probably thanks to the black hole Ginnungagap.

But in EVE terms, a place where dust and junk accumulates that you can't easily warp into and out from is a deadspace pocket, so I'm thinking New Eden is basically just a really, really huge one.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2013-12-02 17:12:11 UTC
FALCOOOON!

When is this book out? It's the one thing from the EVE Store I'd kill for.

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Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-02 17:57:08 UTC
EvE fits on my hard drive

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