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XLASB Golem?
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dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-01 10:51:24 UTC
Heey guys, first post here.

I've been messing around in EFT on new Golem fits with Bastion etc.

But I was wondering if a XL-ASB would be viable for PvE.
Over the medium shield booster that I am using now for cap stability etc.

Numbers are almost 4 times that of a Med Shield Booster, but I know it is burst tank only.

I fly in Blood space, so there are neuts.

Any thoughts?
Wyte Ragnarok
#2 - 2013-12-01 11:34:15 UTC
Not completely implausible. I used to use an XL ASB Nightmare which functioned fine in level 4 missions with short bursts. Now with Bastion and much higher resistances along with its boost bonus, ASB Golem is likely a very strong choice.
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-01 12:39:43 UTC
Allright, thanks for sharing your thoughts! Any more people with thoughts about this?
Abdullah Bahdoon
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-12-01 15:16:15 UTC
dragon dildoo wrote:
Allright, thanks for sharing your thoughts! Any more people with thoughts about this?


From what I know, basically any ship that has a bonus to tank boosting and high resistances is viable for ASB/AAR . Golem has both. Maybe it's a little bit overkill with XL-ASB, you'll be the judge of that. It pops things pretty fast and I don't think they will completely drain your cap.
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-01 15:43:43 UTC
The XLASB works fine on all marauders with bastion. Seriously, the XLASB paladin is something to behold.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#6 - 2013-12-01 16:03:18 UTC
For PvP a dual XLASB would work great, but ofr PvE just use a large shield boost, invul and maybe EM ward and 3 TPs, good to go
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-12-01 17:24:31 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
For PvP a dual XLASB would work great, but ofr PvE just use a large shield boost, invul and maybe EM ward and 3 TPs, good to go


A L-ASB would cut the defence numbers in half..
What I was thinking of was:

2x CN Invuln
3x RF TP
LMJD
XL-ASB

And yes, highs are for Torps..
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#8 - 2013-12-01 17:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
Again if it's for Pve don't use ASBs ever, waste of money. If it's for PvP don't use faction, officer or deadspace modules

And in bastion mode a large shield boost NOT L-ASB works just fine, you don't need a XL at all. In PvP you alwaus want to use dual ASBs, but PvPing in a Marauder isn't the best idea.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-12-01 17:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cindy Marco
The mistake you are making is thinking more tank is necessary. This is not the case in PvE. The goal is to run the minimum tank required. Having extra tank does not benefit you at all.

If you are already tanking everything with a cap stable setup why would you want to go to a unstable setup? It is madness.
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-12-01 17:45:19 UTC
Its for PvE really.

Itś just that I noticed i can get a immense burst tank with a XL-ASB in certain situations. Compared to the "permarun" medium booster that I am using now.
I want to use it for DED sites in nullsec, and there are quite a few neuting ships out there. (hence the "permarun")
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-12-01 17:48:11 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
The mistake you are making is thinking more tank is necessary. This is not the case in PvE. The goal is to run the minimum tank required. Having extra tank does not benefit you at all.

If you are already tanking everything with a cap stable setup why would you want to go to a unstable setup? It is madness.


That's just the point really, it is capstable, as long as there are no neuts...
And unfortunatly there are, and quite a few.

Also how is XL-ASB making my fit more unstable? It requires no cap at all, aslong as I feed those charges into it.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#12 - 2013-12-01 17:48:47 UTC
First off if you are going against neuting, active tanks suck Train up and get a RS. You can fully passvie tank her and do over 1000DPS. Best 0.0 PvE ship out there
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-12-01 17:59:15 UTC
Thanks... But before I do that I want to try everything to keep my golem alive ;)
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#14 - 2013-12-01 18:02:37 UTC
even in Bastion neuting still drains you, just so you know.
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-12-01 18:07:29 UTC
I know, hence my idea to run an ASB instead of a regular booster.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#16 - 2013-12-01 18:13:59 UTC
a till the min relaod time. It really just isn't worth it for PvE.
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-12-01 18:22:22 UTC
Allright, thanks for the advice really.

But a 1000+ DPS RS? Link fit..

My golem is at 1450 atm..
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#18 - 2013-12-01 18:30:43 UTC
You get 1400DPS with 44km range or less, you get 900DPS with jav to 80km and somewhere between both with T1/faction ammo.

A RS get's 1000+ with sentries and cruise. You can get over 1200 to 1300DPS but those are active.
Im sure you can find my RS fit somewhere on here. I get over 250 shield rep every 1sec, and do around 1020+ DPS.

RS are slso nice because with drones you can change your damage size easy and type easy for whatever you are fighting. All I'd say is don't use scout or med unless the target is 15km to 10km from you. Sentries will handle anything past that.
You can also up the shield rep per second pretty easy. I had a RS able to do over 600 shield rep every seoncd and still do over 700DPS. It was for officer ships mostly, but I also used it in heavy neuting sites when needed.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#19 - 2013-12-01 18:33:02 UTC
Found it haha

Rattlesnake

High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium -
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Rig -
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Drones -
x5 Curator II
x5 Garde II
x5 Acolyte II
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Infiltrator II
x5 Hammerhead II

1026 DPS
235 passive shield rep every 1 second
94km range
All resist above 60%
dragon dildoo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-12-01 19:22:32 UTC
Allright, Will give it a try soon.

Training sentry 5 now anyways, all I Will need is gallente BS5.

You are right about ranges for Torps, but npc's come within those ranges most of the time so I dont really worry about it.

Thanks for the fit and tips
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