Player Features and Ideas Discussion

and that's fine. The sheer act of being there at your PC means you are playing the game and can play however you want. If you then decide to go out, or go to bed, those activities should cease.

Well no, you might not even be in the same building as your PC while you AFK cloak, and alts mean you can do it on a spare character slot.

Which is fine, but at the same time the cloaker should at least require active effort. Zero risk, zero effort cloaking in a sytem all day should not be rewarded by dropping your enemies index IMHO.

Generally PVE ships are tanked to specific resists, since you can't as effectively omnitank vs null rats. You'll also be getting hit by rats, meaning you don't have to only survive the atracker, you have to survive the rats too.

You can't do anything about a cloaky nullified tengu. He will only attack if he chooses to and the rest of the time is exposed to no risk. The only thing you could do about it is set people on guard all the time you are out, so now he's massively reduced your efficiency with a single ship. Again, if he wants to do that actively, I'm all for it. But doing it 24/7 while being AFK 90% of the time?

Perhaps outside the scope of this thread...

Something that could contribute to making things more reasonable is if PvE was designed to more closely resemble PvP. So you would not have as many gank targets, but would have ships which flowed easily to PvP from PvE without skipping a beat to make some ganking tactics more difficult to survive.

I don't know if there is any big conceptual reason PvE engagements couldn't be similar in scale and difficulty to PvP, using the same ships and fits. Engaging less ships, which perform better, and payout better... It would certainly make PvE more interesting to me, and help to diminish griefing viability.

Dude, instead of playing EVE you spend 90% 24/7 of your time posting whines about AFK cloackers. The one not actively playing the game it's you.

Constructive, thanks.
I just feel all opinions are valid enough to require discussion, not just a couple of individuals who speak louder than the others. Now if you have nothing useful to add, **** off.

No body streams themselves cloaking , there's no point, by the time anyone is in any position to do anything the ships on grind with the cloakie are going to have moved, so that point's pretty stupid.

And why is it bad to pretend to be afk? Why should you get infallible intel with out having to put in ANY effort? You talk a lot about effort, but only when it applies to someone else.

If someone wants to go though the trouble of getting into a system, scanning down an anom, and then sitting at it hoping that someone runs it (and not another one) then they should be able to, it's not like you're going to be able to instantly get them anyway, you can't move towards them without dropping the AFK flag, you probably wouldn't even be able to move your mouse to look at them without dropping the AFK flag, your only hope is to try to nail them right as they enter the anom, and only if they enter at 0 and only if they do it alone.

It would actually be safer this way, have a buddy join you when you enter the anom, then once you're in align out and your friend can leave because the cloakie won't be able to get at you without first alerting you by dropping his "afk" flag.

all i can deduce from nullseccers whineing about afk cloakers is "wah wah im too paranoid to take my stupidly costly ships into space to make more rediclious amounts of money ten times easier then highsec dwellers ever will cause i MIGHT lose it"
this is EVE, when you undock you need to "prepair your anus" cause some one can and will try to make you "bite the pillow" whilst him/her/they "go in dry"

that said.. buy a frickin' mobile cyno jammer. problem solved.. atleast for HOTDROPS, learn to Dscan cause soon enough local will not be the intel tool it has been for years.

or have smart-bombing BS on top of the warp-in to nail the buttholes if its in sites/anoms

They are not, most opinions are worthless, simply because they people forming them are doing so base on inaccurate and/or incomplete information.

If that's the case, why is it possible to create an cloaky unullified T3. A ship that is basically unstoppable by anything unless they make a serious error in judgement.
I mean personally I think cloakers in general already have it way too easy, with zero risk unless they choose to engage. But I think then adding "lets AFK 24/7 for zero risk" is too far. I do like how people always jump to complain about how eve is supposed to be so bad, yet those same people you can usually find wanting more ways to effortlessly kill easy targets.

You realise the mobile cyno jammer is a single use hour long jammer right? You're better off saving the 60m you'd be throwing away and moving.

No they are not, this is not kindergarden. Just because you think you should not have to deal with the uncertainty of someone who may or may not be able to harm you does not make you right.