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Ships to Fight with Rifter / Overview

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Steel-Stone
Wolf-Run
#1 - 2013-11-13 16:06:55 UTC
Hey fellas,

I have a "Rifter" right now and i like to do pvp. My questions are:

1. What types of ships can i fight with a Rifter?

2. What type of ships should i not even try to fight?


Here is a question for overview:

1. When setting up your overview with a "PVP" tab, how does it know the player is hostle?


Thanks
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#2 - 2013-11-13 16:14:22 UTC
In answer to your second question.

Everything that isn't you, somebody you know, or your fleet will generally shoot you.

Second.

The Rifter is the least competitive TI frigate right now, its bad, don't bother with it, the Slasher is, I gather, a better option, however I haven't flown Minny TI frigs in some time so somebody else should probably provide fits etc.
Bobby Weir
The Bloody Bandits
#3 - 2013-11-13 21:03:06 UTC
Quote:
1. What types of ships can i fight with a Rifter?
All ships of course......but unless it another noob in a Rifter the only fighting you will be doing is for your life. Rifters are not a good as they were.

Quote:
2. What type of ships should i not even try to fight?
Everything but a Rifter.

Getting the jist of the "Rifter" now?

Steel-Stone
Wolf-Run
#4 - 2013-11-13 21:16:23 UTC
Bobby Weir wrote:
Quote:
1. What types of ships can i fight with a Rifter?
All ships of course......but unless it another noob in a Rifter the only fighting you will be doing is for your life. Rifters are not a good as they were.

Quote:
2. What type of ships should i not even try to fight?
Everything but a Rifter.

Getting the jist of the "Rifter" now?




Thanks for the advice

I wanted to get a Wolf or Jaguar, but I don't feel like wasting money doing pvp and having them get blown up on me. I rather learn how to fight in cheap ships that are good before getting a more advance ship. Just trying to find a good ship to fight with.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#5 - 2013-11-13 23:32:53 UTC
Mate if you don't follow the FOTM advice given by the other posters you'll be much better off.

First off. Why the rifter?

If it because of all the 'The rifter is the king of frigates!' stuff you may have read by doing a google search then I feel you may be disapointed.

The rifter is by far my most used (and probably favourite T1 Frig TBH) but I have worked very hard and lost lots to learn how to fly them with a modicum of success.

If it is because it is a great looking ship and just 'feels cool' Then you have made a good choice. IMO pick a ship that you actually like the look/feel/idea of and learn how to make it work.

It it is becasue you like a challenge then even better. The rifter was once the 'king of frigates' but now all the other have been brought up to it's power level.

Note i don't say the rifter is worse then the others now. Simple becasue it isn't. It can do all it used to be able to but now the other frigate lines have been boosted in power and the gap between then has been narrowed and in most cases of specialisation reversed.
The rifter is a very versitile ship that can do lots of things well. Jack of trades master of none is perfect for this ship.

If you go against a frig that specialises in heavy armour tank then you will not be able to out tank it. but you will be able to go faster etc. The key is to fit/fly to a strategy and engage those that fall into your target envelope.

Frig combat is probably in the best place it has ever been in eve IMO so there are pretty much no wrong choices for this. However I still think that the rifter will teach you more about small ship pvp better than any other single frig in game.

And the T2 varieties are excellent. While the Jag has issues with damage etc it is by far the fastest Assault frig and is excellent as a 'heavy tackle' frig. The wolf has many configs from arty kiter to AC brawler so all in all you are well serviced to a life of frig pvp with just those 3 ships.

A Lot of people will argue that the slasher is the better of the two minnie frigs that use guns and there are some good arguements for this and I'd recomend flying them both.

Good luck in your decision and fly dangerous! Cos safe is boring Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#6 - 2013-11-14 01:19:37 UTC
Tbh i don't think the rifter is bad , granted the slasher is better right now , the breacher is good aswell . The rifter in my opinion is still the most versatile ship in the minmatar tier 1 frigates .

Depending on your skills u can make it work either shield tanked or armor tanked , and when u learn how to fly it properly and how effective it can be with a certain fit u should be able to stand a good chance vs pretty much any other t1 frigate provided u have the proper intel for the rest of the t1 frigate line ( ie know which is brawler and which is kiter ) .

The best advice i can give u is buy 20 rifters ( don't fit them all the same or better yet don't fit them all ) fit a couple of em the same and go out and get as much fights as possible and after everyfight u could and should convo your killer or victim ( most pvp'ers are very good people and will offer advice freely if u are polite ) and see what and why u did wrong and lost , due to that info u can change ur fit or tactic for the next engagement .. and so on , rinse and repeat till u have 2-3 fits that u know will work towards most tactics out there , also that way u will learn to kno what u can and cannot fight .

But as a general rule of thumb ( excluding cruisers and above ) i'd recomend not tackin on anything else except t1 frigates till u learn abit how to pvp

I wish u good luck space friend and good fights

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Steel-Stone
Wolf-Run
#7 - 2013-11-14 08:02:28 UTC
I actually like the Destroyer "Cormorant" for now. I like that it has more cpu power and power grid that lets me do more fittings. very good slots for weapons. I was able to get the velocity up to 380 on the ship without any afterburners.

I'm going to play around with this ship and feel it out in battles. I'll pick up 10 or so and see how it runs in battle.

Thanks for the help.
Lydia vanPersie
Soltech Armada
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#8 - 2013-11-14 09:43:35 UTC
You really should not be putting a speed mods in the lowslots of a destroyer with only two of them. (Assuming that's how you got 380m/s with no prop mod.)

(^;

Steel-Stone
Wolf-Run
#9 - 2013-11-14 15:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Steel-Stone
Lydia vanPersie wrote:
You really should not be putting a speed mods in the lowslots of a destroyer with only two of them. (Assuming that's how you got 380m/s with no prop mod.)


Through skills trained and upgrade slots. The only lowslot fitted is with (1) overdrive inject only.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-11-14 19:41:15 UTC
Rifter is bad

The only use it has is killing people who expect it to be a tiny bit more bad than it is.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#11 - 2013-11-14 21:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Rifter is AWESOME

The only use it has is killing people who expect it to be a tiny bit more bad than it is.


FIFY

On a more serious note. think the rifter is awesome not because it is 'statistically' better cos it ain't but because you are pretty much garunteed a fight if you go out a fly one. And they are still a capable ship (despite Garvs hatred of them, and punishers?? vOv ) in the hands of a competent pilot. I however have some way to become 'competent' Cool

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Steel-Stone
Wolf-Run
#12 - 2013-11-14 23:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Steel-Stone
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Rifter is bad

The only use it has is killing people who expect it to be a tiny bit more bad than it is.



Like i mention above i'm not going to go with the Rifter anymore. I'm going to start out with a "Cormorant Destroyer".

Btw guys, thanks for all the advice. it was very helpful. Maybe i can do some 1v1 with one of you guys.
WuJiaDa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-11-29 12:39:41 UTC
Rifter is a fun ship, and like all frigates it should be flown carefully, and as long as you fly it carefully you will have success.
D scanning and jumping on a target is a skill you must have to fly frigates in pvp.

When i fly rifters and other frigates in low sec i find there is many targets you can engage (I fly in low sec and not FW).
Here is my list for a Afterburner Web and Scram Rifter with an extra scram in the cargo
This list I would solo in a rifter without a second though:

1. Venture (go dock up if you see them on d scan and equip your extra scram to get 4 points of warp scramble)
2. Noob Magnates, Kestrel, Probes, Imicus (if you dscan them 5 degrees on a celestial they are likely scanning not in a safe you can go destroy them)
3. Cyno Frigates ( super easy kills with a 1.5mill cyno field you can take as long as you can drop gate gun fire I do it everyday)
4. Uncloaked steath bombers or covert ops frigate (the afk cloaky might have bumped something once you web and scram them it should be over fairly quick)
5. People who have a very new charector and has a killboard history of flying really **** fit ships (look if their char info and if they are new look up their killboard and look at losses )
6. T1 haulers into low sec for PI...

The following list is soloable but the fight can go either way depending on skill of pilot (if you call a friend it swings the odds to your favor)
1. All other T1 frigates
2. Mining barges (Certain mining barges have large tanks that your rifter cant break so its nice to have a friend help also bring 2 scrams in case they have warp stabs)
3. Badly flown or fitted faction frigs

Now you can take that same rifter and give it a bunch of friends in larger ships and you can fight just about anything.
It is a cheap fun ship that you can land a tackle on whatever your FC asks. Be prepared to lose your ship, like all frigates if you are neuted, or webbed, and you have some light drones attacking you, you will die. But know that if your gang wins you will be on the killmail with much higher isk destroyed than isk lost. Also if you see the criminal timer on the gate or station warp out and warp back in because gate guns will instapop you, but if you do the warp out and warp back in you can engage freely on station and gates as well in a frigate.

The rifter flies alot like the firetail and if you can fly one you can fly the other... good luck!



Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-11-29 20:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Agreed to the above poster.

Additionally, flying a Rifter nowadays is all about range control. Projectile turrets have a massive falloff range, even more with barrage. So you want your enemy at a range where you can do close to maximum damage while his weapons can barely touch you.

That's why you should always go for armor Rifters, because you NEED web + scram + prop in your mids to fly this ship to its full potential. MSE Rifters may work in frig blobs, but stay the hell away from them if you plan to fly solo or in very small gangs. A Rifter that cannot dictate range is a dead Rifter.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.