Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not even sure if you actually think about how ridiculously overpowered the Machariel is going to be against the Vindicator. The only way to have a chance to fight a Machariel in a Vindicator is to use the web. Without the web bonus, the Vindicator will lose to it EVERY single time. PERIOD.

Sure, if the Machariel gets it's speed nerfed as much as the nerf for the Vindicator will be by going from 90% to 60% web strenght, then fine.

So no, if the Machariel doesn't get a massive speed nerf, then no, the web bonus doesn't have to go. Infact, it doesn't even have to go as the main Serpentis bonus is web strenght and DPS, Blood Raider's strenght is web range and neuts, Angel Cartel's strenghts are tracking and speed and Guristas strenghts are drones and shield resists.

So everyone have it's own strenghts.

Just to make a very clear example. Would you or anyone else who use a Machariel accept to remove the speed advantages the Machariel have over other ships for another bonus?

i'll give you a like for this 90% webs are OP and need a nerf .. and webs in general need a rebalance..

This, pretty much. We might as well turn ALL ships into the same, or very similar ones, with just different skins.

mm.. true maybe 15% is too strong and needs a nerf also.. i would also like too see neuts get a range nerf 25km is too high

small ... 6.3km
medium ... 9.6km
large .... 12.9km

not true CCP went in a new direction with the strat.

Perhaps we will see more flavour comming from the rebalance then we are prepared for.

we all think its just going to be some slight adjustments...

but they could do some radical changes...

who knoes.

Silence ! Because of such idiots like you Sansha nation ships are **** forever.
"So everyone have it's own strenghts." what is strenght of Sansha ships ?

I will go on what is strenght of Guristas when tristan is as strong as worm and ishtar does shield tanking / drones better/equal than Gila ? etc

What is strenght of Blood Raiders when neuting is done way better by sentinel than cruor and webbing by hyena ? And dpsing by almost every single combat ship ?

What is strenght of Sansha nations ? Most ******** bonuses around ? The COMPLETE lack of creativity ... role bonus ? damage , another damage bonus and another "damage " bonus of tracking. Lets not forget that base speed of succubus is 264 when T1 Stabber CRUISER goes 290. Phantasm base speed is 164 and machariel 161(?). WTF

The only strong pirate factions now are Angel Cartel and Serpentis.

THIS IS UNFAIR.

So we got ONLY 2 choices. Because keeping stuff that way is MOST ******** and unacceptable.

FIRST OPTION : Nerf Angel / Serpentis - i don't like that idea as i love strong pirate ships.

SECOND OPTION : MASSIVE buffs to other 3 pirate factions - especially SANSHA NATION.

And when i'm talking about MASSIVE BUFFS i'm not talking about few PWG / CPU added and maybe 2 more light drones.

An example of new succubus i would make myself :

Slot layout : 2H / 5M / 3L , 2 turrets .... YES YES GODDAMN sansha ships HATE 2 utility highs

Role bonus : 125% small energy turret damage (more creative than adding drone to every possible ship around)

Amarr bonus : Energy turrets ignore 7.5% em/thermal resist of target per level (can adjust to 10% or 5% if too strong , too weak)
Caldari bonus : 7,5% shield hp bonus per level (same as above can be adjusted)

I will not go into details of shield hp, armor hp etc.

But it's just idea of CREATIVE NEW AND UNIQUE bonuses you can add instead of damage + damage + tracking.

I wouldn't say that.

If you had been using the Vindicator and knows how little room the Vindicator has to apply it's damage, you will know why the ship needs the web bonus.

Let me guess, you have never flown pirate ships like the Vigilant and Vindicator in real PVP like i have?

I bet you have been buttraped and killed by them as you seems kinda butthurt over them.

When you pay over 1 billion isk for the Vindicator, you expect the ship to be very good at something. And as Serpentis ships is all about DPS and applying the DPS, it needs some kind of tool to be able to do that. So, let us hear on how you would change the Serpentis ships and still be able to keep the ships to the root of doing DPS and applying DPS?

EDIT: And what exactly makes a 90% webber at 18 km on a Vindicator more powerfull than a Bhaalgorn webbing you at 60% at 36.4 km?

Everyone, including CCP, is focusing on one thing, and I think it's a side issue. The issue isn't 90% webs, because if it were, the Cruor and Ashimmu would be mentioned as well. However, as we have seen they are not viable in their current state. They don't have enough tank, and their "EWAR" capabilities are below acceptable. A single NOS will keep most ships going while the Cruor tries to neut it. Lasers have terrific range by themselves, but what matters really is the neut. It just can't pull it off.

If the webs were the issue, then if a Cruor can maintain any semblance of range it should be able to win against a Daredevil pilot of equal skill. It simply cannot, because the neut just isn't worth it. It doesn't do the job.

The issue is the mobility of the Daredevil in particular, coupled with the webs and damage projection of blasters. It's a ship issue, not a module issue. So look at what makes the Daredevil so powerful: this combination of stats.

Then look at the Vindicator. It's slow as heck, but it has damage projection out to 20km easily, followed by high DPS potential and 90% webs. But it's a brawling pirate battleship! That is what it does.

I think the Daredevil could use a bit less agility, but look at everything before you make these decisions. Stop focusing on what you see, which in your mind is the "glaring problem". It isn't the web bonus and never has been.

You are total ******, i'm calling it now. No i actually i raped last rail dd with lol kiting coercer kiting at 19/20km with mwd.
Actually I'm OK WITH STRONG VINDI AS IT IS.
I'm not ok with other pirate ships like Sansha nation mostly to be left as piece of **** you idiot.