Wormholes

I really wonder how people always come up with the nerf-interpretation. Revamping non-viable subs to be viable is not nerfing.

And honestly, legion/prot/tengu-buffersubs are the real issue. There is no doubt that those are strongly over the top.

Doesn't know where nerf interpretation comes from.
Agrees buffer subs need a nerf.
Yes.

No complaining, most rebalancing has resulted in buffs already.

I'm worried about the tengu's damage projection and double damage bonus will be nerfed
I'm concerned all the active tanking subs will get nerfed to 7.5%
I'm wondering if the t3's overall will get reduced capacitors
I'm interested to see how they plan to make the overheating engineering sub useful
I'm expecting an overall agility nerf for t3's

Hmmm, guess that's explain why i see so many legions lately in all the t3 fleets i've encountered...

I'm hoping when it comes to T3 changes they look at trade offs rather than going this has too much buff chop 50% off but instead a ship with this much buffer should have an appropriate sized sig or agility penalty and so on.

the nerf 'interpretations' come form high level CCP people saying crap like "t3s need to be put down like a rabid dog" and "T2s should be better than T3s and all specific roles" ect for months and in some cases years mow.
not really many ways that can be miss read.
if they end up just making all the subs useful (which they clearly are not at the moment) then fine, but everything theyve been saying till now implies a heavy all around nerf, not a rebalance.

PS: there's nothing wrong with the buffer subs.

You're really comparing apples to oranges.

A drake costs as much as a single subsystem on a T3.

I hate when you guys throw prices in your arguments. It has a simple solution, prices go to a bc level and done.

The most imbalancing factor imo is the dps / tank / ewar (all of them combined) relative to mass. No one is crying that t3 are imblanced in null sec, it is only in wh that t3's are killing the meta. Just make the different subsystems add a lot of mass (add agility speed to compensate for that mass, so the speed, align time stays the same, maybe even less). You want to fly a cruiser with 180k ehp, 800 dps, 60km point and perma mwd running? Fine, but you can only bring half a dozen of them through a hole, and not 50.

The only issue is I can find is bumping with them can be overpowered, but I am sure that can be remedied.

When all the notable alliances in wh space have t3's as their main doctrines for serious fights, then yes they are over powered, the usage numbers prove it.

We should be looking at the main reason t3's are considered OP, and a huge contribution to that is their small mass.

And for this work, the mass of command ships needs to increase to.

Everyone is crying about blobs in wh's, best way to decrease the blob it is to increase mass on ships.

If you want to go all in and bumping / speed affected by mass is a complex problem to solve, that is going to affect many other things, you can make the wh's have a volume attribute, making volume a factor in wh closing. But that is too complicated to delve into now.

Thanks for illustrating the argument I've been making for a year that if they nerf T3 everyone will just switch to command ships and wh fights will continue as they always have been.