Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Super carries at the moment are somewhat useless at times.

Their drone bay only allows one set of fighter-bombers, and those get bombed anyway. As a result supers land on grid, get their fighter-bombers killed and then just hang around or leave.

They are super carrier for the love of god, they are meant to be able to be fielding every drone. And the old problem of super fleets arriving and simply dropping sentries is not relevant anymore due to ishtar fleets (which are able to field far far greater numbers and thus more drones)

Big expensive ships are meant to be powerful, so I don't understand the constant nerfing of big ships due to their strength. Large ships are meant to be powerful, and if one then fields a lot of them and dominates the field, its not because the ships were too strong, but rather because one had a lot of pilots. (skilled pilots at that - ie not a lot of them).

When the goons field a million megathrons and dominates the battlefield, one does not go and nerf the mega...!!! They simply took a good BS and has lots of pilots.

Seriously, make super capitals useful again please by increasing drone bay and giving supers smaller drones back.

Thanks

The sentry nerf does make sense to some extent. Perhaps then have the +3 to drones only apply to fighters and fighter-bombers. and a +1 to normal drones. (like normal carriers)

Plus a drone bay size increase wont really affect anything, but make them a tad more useful in that they can remain in combat. for more than a few bombing runs.

I must admit, i do agree with you on the fact that if supers drop 17/20 sentries each it may get a bit much. But only a single fleet of Ishtars, which there often are a few of in large battles will drop 1250 sentries.

250 Ishtars - 1250 sentries ----> for same amount of sentries on would need over 60 Supers

You're either a (horrible) troll, or you don't understand how EVE works.

Bigger is not better, especially when it comes to caps/supers. Supers should never be safe without a support fleet. Give them drones, and they can kill literally anything that can tackle them without any subcap support.

The entire theme of all the super/cap balancing was that the only way to fight supers should *not* be more supers.

Supers should be a strategic weapon for fighting caps or shooting structures, not a one-size-fits-all pwnhammer of everything else. They're specifically *not* supposed to be cost-effective.

I know, and I understand that supers need a support fleet, hence I am willing to accept (to some point) if supers have no smaller drones.

Even then though, bubblers and bubbles are the only thing that can tackle supers. As a result hictors and mobile bubbles are screwed either case since fighters can hit them well. Thus dictors are the only real tacklers (in most cases, not all cases of course) to supers. and regardless whether a super has drones or not, dictors will drop bubble and cloak before the super can target the thing. Thats what smart bombs are for.

But do give them more drone space. (This was the actual point I was making).

nerf(buff) all caps with with 20% dmg per level insted of +1 drone per level.. that way caps cannot field up to 15 drones if they use DLA's(which is nerfing them self anyway)

Death to all supers.

The cost of a thing is not a balancing factor for that thing and I don't know why you think it is.

Titans were originally balanced using their cost as a factor and look how well that turned out.

the ishtar comparison is pointless. Simply put, a 50 man supercap fleet should NOT have the same anti-subcap potential as 250 HACs. Being able to win the subcap/support battle should be relevant.

What, so, because PL/N3 have 400 supers, they should never lose any fight ever, and we might as well log off when the watchlist lights up? How is that good game design?

Why is it a good thing to have 50 people be able to defeat 250 every single time, with zero losses, zero risk and zero fun for the other side? Did you forget that we are playing a GAME? I've been on the wrong side of overwhelming supercap numbers, I've been in many a fleet that has stood down in the face of the opposition mass logging in supercaps that we couldn't match and stood zero chance of even scrating the paintwork of, and you're telling me that those situations should be ENCOURAGED, and that they are somehow good for the game?

If you're accusing me of thinking the CFC should be able to blob everything out of existence, then what are you suggesting? That N3/PL just be able to superblob everything out of existence instead?

And besides the dps output of 20 sentries let's not forget the crazy amount of ehp they have and the ability to remote rep each other.
Forget 20 supers if you drop 50 60 of them will be damn near impossible to brake the tank of a spider reping super fleet.

To me its just a bit strange that a 18-25bil ship is utterly useless with out a support fleet, but is vulnerable to virtually any ship with a cloak and a mobile bubble.

But again, giving supers sentries will probably unbalance them them. But at least give them more drone space so that they can carry an extra set, or just some extra.