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TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-11-27 13:30:11 UTC
I need something to do Blood Raider anoms down in nullsec. Stuff like Blood Hub, Blood Raider Forsaken Rally Point, and combat sites. I don't mind being picky about my sites if it means I can spare myself 500m of bling on a fit though. Though I don't know what kind of anom level these things are.

I brought a Harbinger down there, doesn't have the tank needed, or the range to kite, unless I'm doing it wrong (its shield tanked too).

So I'm wondering what kind of ship should I aim for ? I heard you can kite with an Oracle, does that still work / will that work for this stuff ?

Otherwise, I guess I need to go bigger (or T3), so what do you guys suggests. Ideally something not too expensive, since this is 0.0
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-11-27 14:18:58 UTC
Simple T1 BS with T2 fit should work wonders.
TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-11-27 14:46:08 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Simple T1 BS with T2 fit should work wonders.


I'm a bit iffy flying a BS in null since the first and last time I did that it got chewed on gate. But then again I was a newb at the time.

What BS would work wonders against Blood Raiders. I'm good with any BS, gun skills are greats but missile skills suck.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2013-11-27 15:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
TA5E wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Simple T1 BS with T2 fit should work wonders.


I'm a bit iffy flying a BS in null since the first and last time I did that it got chewed on gate. But then again I was a newb at the time.

What BS would work wonders against Blood Raiders. I'm good with any BS, gun skills are greats but missile skills suck.


MJD domi with curators should work wonders. Cheap, effective, good dps with excellent projection and application.

Otherwise, Navy geddon (w/ curators), apocalypse, Navy Apoc (w/ 3 curators), abaddon.

As for getting it out to where you are, you a few options. You can have someone bring it down packaged in a JF, you can purchase it out in null, you can have someone scout you while you're travel fit, you can get someone to build one for you out in null (not that unusual, you can also get the BPC yourself and there should be minerals available). You can build it yourself if you want too.

lastly, a reliable and also safe method of moving it through space is to start looking for WH's near your nullsec home, then find a chain that leads to empire (or at least a lowsec with a BS for sale). Then you travel fit that and bring it through the WH chain, its generally a safe and reliable method.

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TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-11-27 15:28:39 UTC
Batelle wrote:
TA5E wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Simple T1 BS with T2 fit should work wonders.


I'm a bit iffy flying a BS in null since the first and last time I did that it got chewed on gate. But then again I was a newb at the time.

What BS would work wonders against Blood Raiders. I'm good with any BS, gun skills are greats but missile skills suck.


MJD domi with curators should work wonders. Cheap, effective, good dps with excellent projection and application.

Otherwise, Navy geddon (w/ curators), apocalypse, Navy Apoc (w/ 3 curators), abaddon.


Do you have any of those fits available, or could you give me guidelines for them (only the t1 bs). I.e does the domi have to be super tanked or will it just outrange the heavy hitters?
Deverie
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-11-27 15:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Deverie
Yes a kiting Oracle still works for ratting forsaken hubs. You need to warp in at 80km and remember to keep as much transversal to the Popes as possible. The Oracle will get you around 20mil/tick. Here is a simple fit: http://i.imgur.com/w9RsgB8.jpg


Another option is a Dominix (also for forsaken hubs). With this you can warp in at zero and requires less micromanagement than the Oracle. You want to put the remote sensor booster on a drone of yours to attract aggro to yourself instead of your drones (as the rats prioritize ships using EWAR over others). This will get you around 15mil/tick. Here is a simple tech II fit: http://i.imgur.com/dKYUbJV.jpg

Another ship I have recently started using is the Navy Vexor with an 100mn afterburner. You will be able to solo havens that have the stargate in them and forsaken hubs. The object of this fit is to sig tank the room with your afterburner. In havens, you want to warp into the room at 20km and orbit the stargate at 34km (any closer and you may be neuted). For forsaken hubs, warp in at 10km, and orbit an asteroid at 10km or a central wreck at 20km. Deploy drones as soon as you land and let them auto aggro onto the rats to reduce the chance of them getting the aggro. This will get you ticks similar to the Dominix. Here is the fit I have been using: http://i.imgur.com/mJyOOFi.jpg

There are of course many other options such as the abaddon, apoc, geddon, napoc, navy geddon, nightmare etc but they are generally more expensive than the three options above. Hope this helps and fly safe!
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-11-27 15:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
I expect someone will post a specific fit, but Domi can be fairly cookie cutter when it comes to fittings. Throw on a few DLAs, throw on a 2-3 omni links and a sebo if needed. Add a MJD, fit 3x DDAs, a rep, and EM/therm hardeners for the rest, tanking or cap rigs generally. Pretty simple. If you find you need less tank go for a 4th DDA.

I'm not too familiar with blood BS but i expect they have long-range hitters like serpentis do. I do recall their neut range is in the 20-30km mark max. You're primarily trying to out-range the neuts moreso than out-range all the dps. It is possible to go for 150km ranges but its a bit more weird fittings-wise. at 70-80km you're in deep falloff for most of their long-range BS and taking no damage from anything else.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=8&return_to=

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TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-11-27 15:49:29 UTC
That's good info, I could take it from here Batelle.



@Deverie: that's some good dps and range on the Orale, but is it stuck in forsaken hubs? Would a domi allow me to do more site types? And is that Vexor/Ishtar really king amongst these all?

PS: I don't know the difficulty or DED rating of these sites.
Deverie
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-11-27 16:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Deverie
Quote:
that's some good dps and range on the Orale, but is it stuck in forsaken hubs?


From my experience your best bet is to stick to forsaken hubs in the oracle. If you feel bold you can try to do stargate type havens but I don't recommend it unless you absolutely know what you are doing. Also you will not be getting any better ticks inside a haven vs a forsaken hub (although salvage value will be better).

Quote:
Would a domi allow me to do more site types?


A dominix will potentially allow you to do more site types as you can fit RR mods into the spare high slots and bring friends. However if you want to solo the higher difficulty sites in a dominix, you will need to gimp your dps output. For example in a sanctum first spawn (10km range spawn for the rings type and 20km for station type), you will be receiving in excess of 700dps from popes and 200dps from other close ranged battleships and battlecruisers. Theoretically if you warp in at range, lets say 60km, you will only need to deal with the dps the popes output, but that is still over 700dps you need to tank in a BS that does sites with a 500-600dps output optimaly. So you will be receiving less isk/tick than just sticking to hubs.

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And is that Vexor/Ishtar really king amongst these all?


In my experience the navy vexor seems to be the most optimal way to run these sites without heavy micromanagement and without investing in a battleships. Because it sig tanks, if you come across a double spawn you will still be able to tank the room. Also with the new interceptor changes, having a cruiser sized ratting ship is somewhat safer when neuts show up in system.

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PS: I don't know the difficulty or DED rating of these sites.

forsaken hubs are 7/10 anoms or 8/10 (I cant recall the exact one) and outputs around 550dps
havens are 9/10 anoms and outputs around 700dps
sanctums are 10/10 anoms and outputs around 900dps
DED sites use their own rating out of 10 that is separate from the rating of the anoms and will have sites that output up to 180k alpha in the form of a citadel cruise missile and another 900dps on top of that at the 10/10 level.
TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-11-27 17:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: TA5E
Deverie wrote:
Quote:
PS: I don't know the difficulty or DED rating of these sites.

forsaken hubs are 7/10 anoms or 8/10 (I cant recall the exact one) and outputs around 550dps
havens are 9/10 anoms and outputs around 700dps
sanctums are 10/10 anoms and outputs around 900dps
DED sites use their own rating out of 10 that is separate from the rating of the anoms and will have sites that output up to 180k alpha in the form of a citadel cruise missile and another 900dps on top of that at the 10/10 level.



I see, I see.

So the Vexor Navy Issue looks like something I'd like to try out. (as expensive as an Oracle, but better performing, and quick align time, and free highslots for a cloak if the scan.res penalty is worth it)

And according to this little chart https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly#Difficulty

It should be able to do up to Forlorn Hubs (8/10, Level 4) and "gate" Havens (9/10).

That gives me lots of choice of anoms to pick from, which is perfect.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-11-27 17:51:14 UTC
vexor navy issue could be fun with heavy drones and NOS to counter the neuting, but otherwise the only reasons to put sentry drones on it is to be a low-sp alternative to the ishtar. And the gila is a superior low-sp alternative already. IMO being within neut range in a cruiser vs bloods is something you want to avoid, and the ishtar's built in sentry bonus and drone control range bonus are pretty key. against other factions however, sitting on your gardes at close-medium range is fine. Like a domi, a non-blinged ishtar can get full dps from gardes at 70km and other drones from 100km or more.

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Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#12 - 2013-11-27 18:26:21 UTC
This fit will work well, it's good because it's fully passive.

Rattlesnake

High -
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Fury Navy Mjolnir or Inferno Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium -
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Low -
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Rig -
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Drones -
x5 Curator II
x5 Garde II
x5 Acolyte II
x5 Hobgoblin II
x5 Infiltrator II
x5 Hammerhead II

1026 DPS
235 passive shield rep every 1 second
94km range
All resist above 60%
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2013-11-27 18:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
that 1k dps with only 2 DDAs is pretty suspect. Also furies with no rigs/painters.

Of course it'll still be good though, just needs more damage mods.

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Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#14 - 2013-11-27 18:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
I think it's 900 something, I copied and pasted my fit, I changed one DDA for another shield power relay. My bad. Still it's over 900 DPS, so not too bad. Everything else is correct though. Best thing fully passive
Paraveil
Illuminated
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-11-27 18:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Paraveil
[Armageddon Navy Issue]

[High Slots]
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II - Scorch L
Drone Link Augmentor II (offline)

[Med Slots]
Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

[Low Slots]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

[Rigs]
Large Energy Collision Accelerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

[Drones]
Curator II x 5

This will do about 1000 dps with Scorch, depending on skills, and nearly 1500 with Conflag. As subcaps go, it's the best you can do solo without a vindicator or machariel. An implant is required to fit the link augmenter. Depending on your level of comfort, you can swap out a cap recharger for a tracking computer, or a rig for additional tank, damage or range. If you're really ballsy, you can remove the MJD and run without a prop mod at all - that'll work fine for anomalies, but not for complexes.

Two hardeners is a very light tank for blood raiders. This fit is designed to sit well outside the optimal of non-Pope battleships. If you warp to zero in a haven or sanctum, you're gonna have a bad time.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-11-27 19:08:39 UTC
now that ^^^ looks fun. although again I say no reason to put a little faction on there to get that DLA going.

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TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-11-27 20:19:03 UTC
Batelle wrote:
vexor navy issue could be fun with heavy drones and NOS to counter the neuting, but otherwise the only reasons to put sentry drones on it is to be a low-sp alternative to the ishtar. And the gila is a superior low-sp alternative already. IMO being within neut range in a cruiser vs bloods is something you want to avoid, and the ishtar's built in sentry bonus and drone control range bonus are pretty key. against other factions however, sitting on your gardes at close-medium range is fine. Like a domi, a non-blinged ishtar can get full dps from gardes at 70km and other drones from 100km or more.


I can't fly an Ishtar (Gallente Cruiser IV), and I don't really know if paying 50m more for a Gila to get more tank and less drone DPS is worth it. And I think Deverie mentioned the range and tactics to stay out of neut range with that Vexor while keeping dps on the rats with heavy drones.

I really just want something that gets the job done right now, and the Vexor Navy Issue seems to work, its got the speed to dictate range and get out of neut, the agility to warp out quick and the speed tank / dps to get the site done. Once I get it going and it works, I can check out investing 21 days for an Ishtar (or T2 heavies) or into getting an other hull to min-max it.

And as for Faction/Pirate battleships, I rather not, they're too big to get out when local gets hot, and they have an equally large price tag. Of course I would consider them once I get this anom running thing down and make enough money out of it to make it worth investing 700m into a ship to run them.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-11-27 21:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
TA5E wrote:
Batelle wrote:
vexor navy issue could be fun with heavy drones and NOS to counter the neuting, but otherwise the only reasons to put sentry drones on it is to be a low-sp alternative to the ishtar. And the gila is a superior low-sp alternative already. IMO being within neut range in a cruiser vs bloods is something you want to avoid, and the ishtar's built in sentry bonus and drone control range bonus are pretty key. against other factions however, sitting on your gardes at close-medium range is fine. Like a domi, a non-blinged ishtar can get full dps from gardes at 70km and other drones from 100km or more.


I can't fly an Ishtar (Gallente Cruiser IV), and I don't really know if paying 50m more for a Gila to get more tank and less drone DPS is worth it. And I think Deverie mentioned the range and tactics to stay out of neut range with that Vexor while keeping dps on the rats with heavy drones.



gila has more tank AND more dps... If you're going to use heavy drones while staying out of neut range, then definitely use the navy vexor because of the drone speed/tracking bonus. I'm pretty sure you can fit the gila cap-passive and speedtank while using heavies within neut range, making the mwd bonus less important.

Anyway, in my post I said that heavies with the navy vexor would be fun. I'm just pointing out that the Navy Vexor (and Eos for that matter) are clearly designed and better used as heavy drone boats rather than as sentry boats.

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TA5E
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-11-27 21:28:23 UTC
Batelle wrote:
gila has more tank AND more dps... If you're going to use heavy drones while staying out of neut range, then definitely use the navy vexor because of the drone speed/tracking bonus. I'm pretty sure you can fit the gila cap-passive and speedtank while using heavies within neut range, making the mwd bonus less important.

Anyway, in my post I said that heavies with the navy vexor would be fun. I'm just pointing out that the Navy Vexor (and Eos for that matter) are clearly designed and better used as heavy drone boats rather than as sentry boats.


Oh ok, I see, so sentries are for Gila or Domi (tank), and Heavies are for Vexor/Ishtar (speed tank).
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#20 - 2013-11-27 21:38:13 UTC
I would say against Blood, because they neut a passive tank is the best way to go. Only the RS can passive tank good enough to do L5s and Sancs solo. Want a good blood raider killing boat, I'd use a RS. It's little bother isn't bad either the Gila. A Vexor and Domi can't tank anywhere clsose to what a RS or Gila can. The best part is with a RS you can hit to 94km, so moving around really isn't a big deal. Just be aligned in case of someone not friendly coming in.
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